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Originally Posted by SD69
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I think this is a bit askew. Here is the actual TOS language:
16. * Misuse of Service or Device
29. Additional Terms for Data Plans and Features
The following terms apply to your data plan or feature (“Data Plan”). To the extent any term in your Data Plan expressly conflicts with the general Terms and Conditions, which also apply to your service, the term in your Data Plan will govern. Please read your Data Plan carefully.
1. Permissible and Prohibited Uses
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.
Examples of prohibited uses include but are not limited to: (...) (b) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections;
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Whether or not you can obscure it is not the point. The point is: you're in violation of your TOS if you do it. For those of us who like to be either safe, honest, or good customers (or a combination of those), that means it's off limits.
Err...
1) You can change useragents on both the tablets and computer
2) You can run an alternative operating system on the tablets (e.g. debian that has its own browsers.
3) Other browsers (e.g. fennec).
They can speculate but in the end since the n900 and the previous tablets are more computer than smartphone there's no reliable way to differentiate them.
There's all kinds of things I CAN do. That doesn't make it a good idea to actually do them.
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My point is that there's no way for them to differentiate the traffic. Not even by pattern of usage. Not like that matters though since the n900 is pretty much a computer anyway (you can do almost everything that is bandwith hungry on the computer on the n900 anyway).
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
There's no way for them to reliably differentiate the traffic. If you're intentionally being dishonest to avoid their ability to track you. There certainly are ways for them to differentiate the traffic of devices that aren't attempting to avoid their detection. Whether or not they detect it is beside the point. The point is: by doing it, you're violating the TOS. You're breaching a contract YOU signed. Those of us who are honest people consider that to be important, in and of itself.
My point is that there's no way for them to differentiate the traffic. Not even by pattern of usage.
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I'm afraid your missing the point. My point is that the n900 is so close to a computer that any user that uses the n900 like they do their computer can't be differentiated from a user that tethers their device. That is unless they have a dumb phone or an Android smartphone that doesn't have the capability that Maemo 5 and the n900 have.
I'm not saying anything regarding the TOS, or whether it's right or wrong.
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I'm not saying anything regarding the TOS, or whether it's right or wrong.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Except if the data plan permits it.
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Tethering is explicitly forbidden.
Aren't the new Even More plans explicitly equipment agnostic?
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Which is irrelevant.
My point is that the n900 is so close to a computer that any user that uses the n900 like they do their computer can't be differentiated from a user that tethers their device.
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Originally Posted by SD69
They're equipment agnostic in as much as "you don't have to have a data plan on smartphones, if you don't want one". But the plans themselves, as far as I know, still don't mention being approved for tethering.
Except if the data plan permits it.
Aren't the new Even More plans explicitly equipment agnostic?
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Which is irrelevant.
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Sure, they have to catch you at it ... and no word right now that they're looking for it*. But, if it comes up (or if you press them on some service issue and they'd rather not follow through on it), they can say "you violated the TOS, we're cutting you loose".
(* and they probably only care in their 3G areas)
That's why it's relevant. Because if they can't differentiate who's tethering with the n900 (because like I pointed out, the other phones can't do what the n900 can do) and who is simply using the n900 heavily, well I doubt they're going risk pissing people off. Especially since then they're breaking the contract.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
1) You can change useragents on both the tablets and computer
2) You can run an alternative operating system on the tablets (e.g. debian that has its own browsers.
3) Other browsers (e.g. fennec).
They can speculate but in the end since the n900 and the previous tablets are more computer than smartphone there's no reliable way to differentiate them.