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	Nathraiben	2010-07-02 , 19:37
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There would be no need to store the phone number in plain text on the public server just to send text messages. They could at least store them on a server not connected to the net for that - but as soon as the phone number is your username, it HAS to be accessible from the net.

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BroisPlankton	2010-07-02 , 19:43
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Originally Posted by Patroclo

Is it possible to unsubscribe?

Well I asked Vodafone to block MyNokia and they did.
Paul

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Patroclo	2010-07-02 , 19:53
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

Yes, by using the Settings applet on an N900 itself or via the web.

Could you please explain to me where to find this applet in the n900? I am not able to find it, unless you mean the My Nokia icon in the settings. But if I click on it there are 2 options: subscribe and delete (I am translating from my language). No unsubscribe option is present. I am afraid that clicking on delete it would erase my nokia account, while I just want that my data could not be communicated to other companies but keeping Nokia account.

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	danramos	2010-07-02 , 20:12
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

It's a large part of it, sure, but it's definitely not the only part, and the world isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is.

It's the ONLY part of open-source that makes open-source, OPEN-SOURCE. You could close everything ELSE (closed philosophy, closed etc) and as long as you provide OPEN SOURCE to the code, you've actually provided the most PRESCIENT and, in fact, about the ONLY part of openness that counts.

It may not be a black and white world, but when you use terms like "open" and "closed", there's a very binary definition of how you're delivering your source code. If you take the most important little bits that talk to the device and close them, you've got CLOSED bits of code. Not "kinda open" ...they're closed. And I, again, have to argue that puffery regarding Nokia's Maemo's contributions to openness is just that, puffery. It's certainly not helping the community to fix their own problems and dismissing the problem with claims of being "open enough" is cold comfort to the community that wants to develop on the hardware that is no longer being maintained by Nokia. How long do you think the N900 will remain a current platform. Hell, is it even a current platform anymore now?

Mark my words, N900 owners. Let's see how satisfied you'll be when the next device comes out and you can't even get any more bugfixes for the OS you're stuck with, just like all the previous Nokia tablet owners. It's bad enough that the hardware support is awful--Nokia's current level of support for parts and repair should be criminal.

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sjgadsby	2010-07-02 , 20:22
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Originally Posted by Patroclo

Could you please explain to me where to find this applet in the n900? I am not able to find it, unless you mean the My Nokia icon in the settings.

I do.

But if I click on it there are 2 options: subscribe and delete (I am translating from my language). No unsubscribe option is present.

In English, the buttons are "Subscribe" and "Unsubscribe". If you find one of the buttons has been translated poorly, you might open a translation bug at bugs.maemo.org.

I am afraid that clicking on delete it would erase my nokia account, while I just want that my data could not be communicated to other companies but keeping Nokia account.

Using the "Unsubscribe" button on my N900 results in me receiving a failure message via SMS from My Nokia, so I can't say what happens when use of that button succeeds. I can tell you that the expanded account controls on the My Nokia web site provide three options:

[receive | don't receive] tips via e-mail
[receive | don't receive] tips via mobile messaging
cancel your My Nokia account

There's no "please send me stuff, but don't ever rat me out to third parties" option. You'll need to read the terms and conditions (available from that same applet in Settings) to see if the privacy policy is acceptable to you. Admittedly, the fact that Nokia blurs the line between Ovi accounts and My Nokia accounts in those terms and conditions does make the task a difficult one.

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	danramos	2010-07-02 , 20:59
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As a follow-up to my point about the OPEN part of open-source being the VITAL part...

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010...pleletter.html

Oh, if only Apple iOS was opened years ago, this would have been long ago fixed. At least Apple has the courtesy to not only acknowledge the problem but actually FIX it. I wonder if they'll go back and fix it for all the previous handsets or if they'll pull a Nokia?

This sums it up pretty nicely for me:
http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu...3047&blogid=41

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tnhh	2010-07-02 , 21:03
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Originally Posted by Patroclo

Is it possible to unsubscribe?

There is an unsubscribe button in the MyNokia applet under Settings, but it doesn't work for me. It sends yet another chargeable SMS message after which I get a reply "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed. Go to 'My Nokia' in Settings to try again. Visit www.nokia.com/mynokia for more information." Thanks Nokia!

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sjgadsby	2010-07-02 , 21:04
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Originally Posted by Nathraiben

There would be no need to store the phone number in plain text on the public server just to send text messages. They could at least store them on a server not connected to the net for that...

Ah, I see your point now. Thank you. For better or for worse though, I don't see many companies taking security to the level of disconnected systems for user data, particularly non-financial user data.

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tnhh	2010-07-02 , 21:04
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Originally Posted by Pigro

You need to be able to laugh at yourself, even while on your high horse crusading about data protection/trust etc.

I thought it was funny. I can't believe people are angry about The Register; IMHO they should be directing their anger at Nokia.

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	danramos	2010-07-02 , 21:19
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

It's a large part of it, sure, but it's definitely not the only part, and the world isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Here's a portion, I specifically feel, talks RIGHT to the issue with the drivers and other particularly critical portions of Maemo/MeeGo without which the OS is either crippled or written to depend on:

Open core is a game on rather than a valid expression of software freedom, because it does not cultivate software freedom for the software user. In an open core business, there is a core package which is open source and which delivers basic functions. That package can be used freely under the terms of an open source licence, and there's no issue involved at this point - as Lampitt asserts,
"the customers enjoy, in a way, guarantee of liberty from the vendor; if things go sideways for the vendor, there is a sort of a "guaranteed escrow" of the source code."

But to use the package effectively in production, a business probably won't find the functions of the core package sufficient, even in the (usual) case of the core package being highly capable. They will find the core package largely ineffective without certain "extras", and these are only available in the "Enterprise Version" of the package - which is not open source.

To use those features, you are forced to be a customer only of the sponsoring company. There's no alternative, no way to do it yourself if the value delivered doesn't justify the expense involved or if you are time-rich and cash-poor. Worse, using the package locks you in to the supplier. If they prove a bad choice as a supplier, or if your business needs change, you have no real choice beyond "take it or leave it". In many cases, ending your subscription with the supplier will mean losing your rights to use the Enterprise Version all together.

Granted, he's talking about stuff like MySQL in a business where people are writing their applications and environments on a dependency for the functionality that the closed portions are giving the open portions.. but that's not a far cry away from Nokia's tablets/phone with Maemo/MeeGo and closed drivers, and the inherent dependency on those closed portions being maintained or fixed.

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