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Leinad is offline Leinad
2014-12-17 , 08:40
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#181
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
no update today? I was almost 100% sure this day was the day of days.
Today would be a good day, exactly 1 year ago, i was unpacking my freshly arrived Jolla
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...23#post1397423
 

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2014-12-17 , 09:27
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#182
Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Time for you to jump overboard and swim to a bigger ship.
We will miss you.
Not.
Well, all opinions are/should be valid without a hazzle. Crappy product indeed but since OS has so much potential, gotta stick by.
Until the potential is reached, some whining is needed
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2014-12-17 , 09:34
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#183
Originally Posted by pagis View Post
Why the status bar has to go
Could not disagree more with roppolas ideas. Fundamentally, one shouldnt force user to think that one limited way is the right-one. uh, lame.
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243kof is offline 243kof
2014-12-17 , 09:59
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#184
Who forced anybody?
 
aegis is offline aegis
2014-12-17 , 10:20
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#185
Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
It's up to them to create better conditions that devs should make more apps, to work with big companies to port their apps or optimize android apps.
And you know 100% that they've not been contacting major app developers to get them to port their apps?

Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
How come anything sailfishos related that is not their fault but always up to somebody else?
In this case it is. Whatsapp don't like 3rd party apps so it's absolutely in their domain, not Jolla or anyone else.

From my point of view I'm totally happy there's no Whatsapp as I really don't think proprietary IM clients are a good thing. I can't see how you can be clamouring for open source on one hand and a closed protocol owned by Facebook on the other. Calling Jolla hypocritical sounds very hollow.

Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
No opensource? Up to 3rd parties!
Blatantly untrue. They use huge amounts of open source and push it upstream. If you mean 100% open source then you have a point, but a totally unreasonable one. Nobody does 100% open source and Jolla aren't claiming 100%.


Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
Android apps not working? Up to dalvik!
Does that mean they aren't asking Myriad to fix? I suspect they have regular discussions with them.

Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
Problems with network? Up to qualcom(what chip they use)!
Never had a problem so I've no idea what you mean.

Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
No batteries? Up to shipping rules! Shipping delays(first phones)? Up to holidays!
Agreed there though I did get a spare battery. ;-)

Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
Name any problem and it seems like it's not their fault, but guess what, it's their product, they should think things thru.

P.S. I liked how they talk about importance of transparency and how tablet will be made together in their latest blog post and still no answer to https://together.jolla.com/question/...pen-source-os/
I call it cheap PR and hypocrisy
The phrase 'and I want a pony' comes to mind. Sorry but not everything works the way you demand it to be.
 

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pagis is offline pagis
2014-12-17 , 10:26
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#186
well, sometime changes need to be forced otherwise changes will never happen! (take for example the vga port, there are still lots of ppl want it back)
 
MartinK is offline MartinK
2014-12-17 , 10:48
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#187
Originally Posted by aegis View Post
Nobody does 100% open source
Well, if counted as code under your control (so not hardware, microcode, firmware, closed drivers), there definitely are 100% open source solutions, even in the mobile space (Firefox OS). They might not be mainstream (yet ? ;-) ) but they are there. And of course in the desktop and server space, 100% open source is basically becoming the norm, at least as far as Linux distributions go.

BTW, I don't really think anyone is blaming Jolla for closed components outside of their control (hardware, drivers, android emulation, third party code), but people understandably don't like that there are many closed system components that are under Jollas...

I think this is hurting Jolla in the long term, as there are tons of feature requests for many of those closed components. As past performance indicates, the limited development resources Jolla has can't possible handle a significant part of these feature requests any time soon and the community is blocked from helping by the components being closed source.

Of course you can never be sure beforehand if you will actually get any contributions when you open source something, but you can be sure you won't get any if you keep it closed.
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2014-12-17 , 11:05
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#188
Originally Posted by aegis View Post
From my point of view I'm totally happy there's no Whatsapp as I really don't think proprietary IM clients are a good thing. I can't see how you can be clamouring for open source on one hand and a closed protocol owned by Facebook on the other. Calling Jolla hypocritical sounds very hollow.
Amen.

These are my thoughts each time someone trolls about Skype and WhatsApp missing.
 

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2014-12-17 , 11:23
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#189
Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
BTW, I don't really think anyone is blaming Jolla for closed components outside of their control (hardware, drivers, android emulation, third party code), but people understandably don't like that there are many closed system components that are under Jollas...
On the other hand, opening the source completely and inviting the community to contribute would render Jolla the company obsolete. They need some kind of "job security"
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2014-12-17 , 11:47
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#190
Originally Posted by 243kof View Post
Who forced anybody?
who: Jolla
anybody:Users

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