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ggabriel	2015-05-27 , 15:58
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Originally Posted by Dave999

so jolla said soon more than a month ago, and now its still soon Soooooon! I m sure it will happen later than sooner.

All this stuff you're waiting for has happened already... in the future, so I really don't know why you jump up and down.

	Dave999	2015-05-29 , 13:11
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Hope to see many TMO members selected.

https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-...starting-soon/

but what happend with screen info blog post???

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	ZogG	2015-05-30 , 08:38
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They are great in talking a lot without saying much. They pasted the delivery time, but still did not tell anything about HW change, btw same happened with phone when they revealed the specs almost on last day. With all the promises and talks they still do the same mistakes, but know they write fancy blog posts, with mostly 0% to cool down people.
And yeah, it's nice they gonna finally do the program for devs, though keeping SDK private before release and selecting devs behind doors? It would be funny if they do not even release the names of those devs, that way they can give 0 tablets and no one still know as he'll think others got them

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szopin	2015-05-30 , 08:42
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Originally Posted by ZogG

They are great in talking a lot without saying much. They pasted the delivery time, but still did not tell anything about HW change, btw same happened with phone when they revealed the specs almost on last day. With all the promises and talks they still do the same mistakes, but know they write fancy blog posts, with mostly 0% to cool down people.
And yeah, it's nice they gonna finally do the program for devs, though keeping SDK private before release and selecting devs behind doors? It would be funny if they do not even release the names of those devs, that way they can give 0 tablets and no one still know as he'll think others got them

SDK lacks working emulator yet, they thought releasing SDK without having a device to test on is useless, once they have the emulator running it will be public, people with actual devices to deploy on can get a go earlier, conspiracy

source: https://lists.sailfishos.org/piperma...ay/006137.html

This part is really telling:

Code:

It's very likely that already this 'early SDK' already can be downloaded by anybody.

Just like the update name leak, pretty much anybody can join early bird program (on twitter you can find the numbers needed)

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MartinK	2015-05-30 , 13:44
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Originally Posted by ZogG

And yeah, it's nice they gonna finally do the program for devs, though keeping SDK private before release and selecting devs behind doors?

Who uses the SDK anyway ?

My apps use Universal Components - so that I can just run them on my PC during development (using the QtQuick Controls backend) and I use the Sailfish target in Mer OBS for making packages.

No need to bother with updating the SDK all the time and using the mess that is VirtualBox (especially when superior technology like KVM is available) to run two separate VMs .

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	Copernicus	2015-05-30 , 14:07
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Originally Posted by MartinK

Who uses the SDK anyway ? My apps use Universal Components - so that I can just run them on my PC during development (using the QtQuick Controls backend)

Very cool! But, how well does that system do in emulating the target device hardware (cameras, speakers, Wifi/Bluetooth/NFC, USB port, etc.)? This is the main reason I find a hardware-specific SDK useful for prototyping my apps...

MartinK	2015-05-30 , 22:53
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Very cool! But, how well does that system do in emulating the target device hardware (cameras, speakers, Wifi/Bluetooth/NFC, USB port, etc.)?

Sure, it does not cover everything - but one usually spends most time on the general application logic anyway, not just these low-level device specific "plumbing". Preferably it can be developed & debugged on the device once, so that the rest can be done when running the app on the desktop - maybe with some fallbacks for the missing APIs.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

This is the main reason I find a hardware-specific SDK useful for prototyping my apps...

I can say that to this day I have not seen any good (er even passable) device emulator in an SDK. It was usually just a box-to-run-your-app to see if it might run on the target device, with no usable emulation of the device hardware & specific APIs - no emulated location or sensor data, no camera, no microphone, etc. AFAIK the Sailfish OS emulator is also kinda like this ?

In short, one really needs the device to develop apps for it in earnest.

	vistaus	2015-05-30 , 23:14
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Originally Posted by szopin

SDK lacks working emulator yet, they thought releasing SDK without having a device to test on is useless, once they have the emulator running it will be public, people with actual devices to deploy on can get a go earlier, conspiracy

source: https://lists.sailfishos.org/piperma...ay/006137.html

This part is really telling:
Code:
It's very likely that already this 'early SDK' already can be downloaded by anybody.
Just like the update name leak, pretty much anybody can join early bird program (on twitter you can find the numbers needed)

I can't find those numbers for early bird access on Twitter

	Copernicus	2015-05-30 , 23:56
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Originally Posted by MartinK

In short, one really needs the device to develop apps for it in earnest.

True. But that isn't always possible, if you're crazy enough to be developing apps for a device that isn't yet available. (I could perhaps point out here a particular brand of phone that has no sales or support available in the entire Western Hemisphere...

) And if you're trying to cover a wide range of devices (e.g., the large family of Android machines), it may be impossible to test on every available type of device.

Emulators aren't perfect (and yeah, some are just awful), but at least they can sometimes give you a little more insight as to just what the environment will be like on the device running the app.

	Dave999	2015-05-31 , 12:15
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So anyone applying for a device?