Originally Posted by specc

Try to read something else than US tech blogs. They all point to the same origin anyway, namely Engadget, and or just repeat over and over what the others are saying. But I'm sorry, I don't keep track of everything I read..

Originally Posted by specc

You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Good news for nokia. The stock is on the move since the Q was not as bad as expected YEAH!

http://www.nokia.com/global/about-no...lts---reports/

Originally Posted by specc

You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.

Originally Posted by danramos

and gained about 5,600 employees for the quarter.

Originally Posted by specc

You have to look at the bigger picture. Nokia is doing OK actually (relatively speaking). Lumias are gaining traction as well. Elop has turned the ship, that is what we are witnessing. Nokia is not out of the muddy waters just yet, by no means, but they are on the right course for the first time in years.

Originally Posted by danramos

You keep track of supposed statistics but you can't even remember where you've seen them? You DO understand how this might make anyone skeptical of your statements. I've been pretty good about making sure I put links to things whenever I state statistics or facts--US tech blogs and other sources. (You'll note that there is more out there that we've been citing than US tech blogs, right?) I'm sure you can point out where you're reading your so-called facts to help us believe you better--because so far you're not convincing anyone.

Try citing some facts! It'll improve your skills of communication and your credibility.



Case in point. Please explain how ANY of that is true. Meanwhile...



Elsewhere... somebody's eating Nokia's lunch...

Google announces its Q2 2012 earnings, sees 21 percent growth
Google this afternoon announced its Q2 2012 earnings, reporting 21 percent growth year over year for revenue, at $10.96 billion. GAAP net income was listed at $2.79 billion, up from $2.51 billion for the second quarter of 2011.

As of the second quarter, Google reports having $43.1 billion cash and equivalents, and gained about 5,600 employees for the quarter.

Originally Posted by gerbick

No. You have to only look at the key operative word, shipped.

Atari shipped a few million Atari E.T. cartridges. I'm sure a few million were buried in New Mexico and not sold.

There's a major difference. Nokia is not on the right path, unless that path ends with them bankrupt and out of the market by the time WP8.x is announced.

Originally Posted by Dared

Tell me how the Lumia range is gaining traction, given the fact that WP7.5 has now been Osborned by Microsoft? If they're gaining traction then they should sell more in Q3 using your logic.
Oh no, wait, Nokia has said that Q3 will be worse than Q2....what did you say about traction?

Originally Posted by specc

See http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1893

They are selling more, obviously WP is gaining traction, but as to why now and not 3 months ago? Things takes time I guess.

They will probably sell less though because they are shifting manufacturing to WP8. They will produce less.

Originally Posted by danramos

And now, my turn.. with citations...



With Windows Phone 8, Microsoft Just Osborned Itself
From the article:

"More likely, it's a tacit acknowledgement that the company's current path on mobile isn't the right answer. To be sure, Windows Mobile needed to go, but Windows Phone isn't working, either. The thinking is that the existing user base, while important and unfortunate to screw over, is still really small. Better to do this now while Microsoft still can, in other words.

Existing Windows Phone 7.5 devices will continue to work with the 100,000 apps already available in Windows Marketplace. And developers writing new Silverlight apps will have Windows Phone 7.5 and Windows Phone 8 customers, as the new version of the OS will continue to run Silverlight apps. But apps developed for Windows Phone 8 specifically won't work on existing phones, which means it won't be long before 7.5 users can no longer update their favorite apps.

A Twitter user who goes by the name of Natasha wrote that Windows Phone fans defending Microsoft's decision to orphan 7.5 reminded her of Stockholm Syndrome. I find that hilarious, and there's probably some truth to that statement. But whether you agree or not, it's clear Microsoft is at a perilous point, and needed to do something, fast."

Originally Posted by specc

What is this supposed to prove? It's only a rehash of the numbers Nokia themselves ALREADY have published. Open documents for the entire human race to download, and I have already linked to that yesterday. Then they put their own token no brain spin on it. Osborne me here and Osborne me there.

The sales numbers show no sign of the Osborne effect. Strange? Yes I think it is strange, but then it occurred to me, maybe this Osborne effect is way too much exaggerated. Similar to any theoretical mumbo jumbo that doesn't really have any real life effect. Of course, that's it. Because, how else can you explain that Androids with 2.2 sell like hot cakes. That fact cannot be explained if the Osborne effect is included. Clearly the Osborne effect is a load of crap. Nice food for the tech blogs, but no importance in real life.