Originally Posted by tommo

I suggested long ago they should sell T-shirts etc, easy money.

I wonder what happens with the Lastu case now? Do we get that bad boy as a little trophy of failure?

Originally Posted by Copernicus

I was making the comparison between:

a) Jolla pissing off 10000 people

and

b) Jolla going immediately bankrupt.

This ridiculous comparison all started off with Dave999 stating that he preferred the latter to the former, if it would allow him to receive a tablet. I simply stated that the former was preferable to the latter.

In truth, neither is possible -- Jolla will either go belly-up (and therefore fail to ship all the tablets, as is looking more and more likely), or Jolla will find some way to pull out of its current nosedive, at which point it will be trivial for them to ship all the tablets (as money is the only thing left stopping them from doing so).

So yeah, this was never a serious conversation in the first place...

Originally Posted by pichlo

Like this one?

Originally Posted by MartinK

While I guess many community members would be willing to get without the tablets they backed if it helped Jolla to get over the current crysis, there are still many others who trusted Jolla to deliver and who could generate a lot of ill will and anger if they never get what they ordered/backed.

And I'm afraid that ill will, not delivering & loosing trust is really something Jolla might not affort at a moment when critical investment rounds & licensing deals are at stake.

Also while the amount gathered in the crowdfuding campaign is not insignificant, I'm afraid it still can't "power" an undertaking of Jollas size for long.

Originally Posted by Dave999

I only stated that shipping tablets are crucial to Jolla and what it means is basically it's their top priority.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

Um, no. Realistically, they have two top priorities right now:

a) Find more funding to allow them to maintain operations (after which purchasing and shipping more tablets will be trivial),

and

b) As was discussed in the community meeting, use whatever time and resources are left to prepare contingencies to keep the _existing_ devices up and running (this includes stable, flashable images of the latest OS versions for phone and tablet, and perhaps a start at a community-based Jolla store or other repo).

Continuing to try and push the tablet forward at this point in time is really kind of pointless.

Originally Posted by Dave999

Equally important. But what business will you do when the market lose faith in your ability to deliver. 100 millions won't help you.

Originally Posted by gerbick

There was a time Apple borrowed $150 million from Microsoft and things worked out just fine for them. The problem with faith is that folks must be willing to give it.

I do not see a lot of that.

Almost like folks are happy to be proven right that a small company of what seems to be our peers in one fashion or another is failing. That's not how it should be. Not at all.

Originally Posted by Dave999

I

Not just me, but the 10000. All of them. Trust. I only stated that shipping tablets are crucial to Jolla and what it means is basically it's their top priority. Even if they have to fire all. Ship it or die trying. Only after shipment it's possible for Jolla to continue (if there is anything left).