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Lumiaman	2012-07-20 , 15:56
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WP is gaining traction. Lumia 800 is a great phone, much better than any symbian or meego product they had. NOKIA is not a software company and therefore only has two options: ANDROID or WP. They made the right choice, and are undergoing necessary transformation and transition.

The apologists of the NOKIA past arent getting the above, and I wonder why. Is it this hate of Microsoft? Hate of Americanism? Hate of European impotence to produce hi tech mobile product? The hate is myopic and without any vision. Elop is NOKIAs only chance, the Europeans could not have done it by themselves, and that is where the hate stems from.

	daperl	2012-07-20 , 16:01
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Down 7%. Shocking!

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Cue	2012-07-20 , 16:09
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

WP is gaining traction. Lumia 800 is a great phone, much better than any symbian or meego product they had. NOKIA is not a software company and therefore only has two options: ANDROID or WP. They made the right choice, and are undergoing necessary transformation and transition.

The apologists of the NOKIA past arent getting the above, and I wonder why. Is it this hate of Microsoft? Hate of Americanism? Hate of European impotence to produce hi tech mobile product? The hate is myopic and without any vision. Elop is NOKIAs only chance, the Europeans could not have done it by themselves, and that is where the hate stems from.

What is it with you and xenophobia? First, according to you, Nokia made "Taliban phones", now Europeans hate "Americanism" and are impotent? The only intolerant and hateful person around here is you and it seems to stem from some kind of inner xenophobia.

How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.

specc	2012-07-20 , 16:49
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WP8 is rolling

October is the date:
http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop...-news-4545.php

cheve	2012-07-20 , 16:54
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[QUOTE=Cue;1240360
How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.[/QUOTE]

@cue, I think "Lumiaman" was saying that we were apologists for Nokia in the good old days and is questioning why we are not now.

Lumiaman	2012-07-20 , 17:05
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Originally Posted by Cue

What is it with you and xenophobia? First, according to you, Nokia made "Taliban phones", now Europeans hate "Americanism" and are impotent? The only intolerant and hateful person around here is you and it seems to stem from some kind of inner xenophobia.

How you see anybody as a Nokia apologist is also beyond me because you and specc seem to be the only ones who are defending their actions. Nobody else is defending anything so that makes them the opposite of an apologist.

Cheve says what I meant. You have begun to piss on NOKIA since Elop came on board and got rid of dying platforms. Taliban phones was meant in jest= phones that nobody wants but most primitive people. And yes, I do think that there is much more Xenophobia in Europe than in the US.

cheve	2012-07-20 , 17:07
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Originally Posted by specc

WP8 is rolling October is the date:
http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop...-news-4545.php

What is the current "burn-rate" for Nokia? I read somewhere that it is about 1B per Q, so by the time this thing is launched(requiring ramping up of production, marketing and etc), Nokia may end up with less than 1B in the bank.

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	volt	2012-07-20 , 17:20
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I don't know if your burn rate billion is before or after the newest cuts, but remember that it's very expensive on the short run to fire people.

I get embarrassed when someone call my predictions estimates, they're wild guesses at best :B

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gerbick	2012-07-20 , 17:27
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Originally Posted by specc

I don't take the hint. I don't have any agenda. What should that be? I just don't like discussing this an a basis of what some people feel about Elop and the gang. It makes no sense discussing Nokia stock on that basis. It's childish.

I'm talking about what sold and what shipped.

Unless you're illiterate, there's nothing about Elop in that.

specc	2012-07-20 , 17:45
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Originally Posted by cheve

What is the current "burn-rate" for Nokia? I read somewhere that it is about 1B per Q, so by the time this thing is launched(requiring ramping up of production, marketing and etc), Nokia may end up with less than 1B in the bank.

It's more like 2-3M Euro. They will at least have 2B Euro left at year end, closer to 3. Additional cuts may improve this further.

Also the Asha touch screen phones are coming, with a new Nokia store by the looks of things. Somewhere around September. Then in October hell breaks loose (for iOS and Android)

I am actually starting to look forward to using my WP8 Lumia, surfing this site, banging some sense into the heads of you people