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Lumiaman	2012-07-20 , 23:19
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I'm an American. And xenophobia is not exclusive to Europe.

The whole "piss on Nokia" is because Nokia has pissed on itself.

Nobody says there is no xenophobia in America. Just less of it. Yes, Nokia pissed on itself prior to Elop.

	Dared	2012-07-21 , 00:03
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Have you used lumia 800 or 900?

I have, and there is no way i would buy one. The 2 biggest things i use -mass storage mode and Bluetooth transfer, don't exist, for that reason alone i would never buy one

Lumiaman, you do know that the lumias have the highest return rate of any phone in Nokia's history. Why would this be the case if it's so good?

Lumiaman	2012-07-21 , 00:41
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Originally Posted by Dared

I have, and there is no way i would buy one. The 2 biggest things i use -mass storage mode and Bluetooth transfer, don't exist, for that reason alone i would never buy one

Lumiaman, you do know that the lumias have the highest return rate of any phone in Nokia's history. Why would this be the case if it's so good?

Mass storage and bluetooth transfer are your concerns? I am laughing hard

SamGan	2012-07-21 , 01:32
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Originally Posted by specc

WP8 is rolling October is the date:
http://www.gsmarena.com/stephen_elop...-news-4545.php

It's not going to happen. Have you seen any running preview of WP8? The OS is a long way from being completed and Microsoft is famous for bullshitting improbable dates.

SamGan	2012-07-21 , 01:42
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Originally Posted by cheve

What is the current "burn-rate" for Nokia? I read somewhere that it is about 1B per Q, so by the time this thing is launched(requiring ramping up of production, marketing and etc), Nokia may end up with less than 1B in the bank.

Nokia cash depleted by €1 billion in Q2 to €4.1 billion in Q2. If this is the burn rate when they shipped 4 million Lumia and mitigated the loss with sales of Vertu it will be much worse in Q3 when sales of Lumia dries up. Microsoft will pay its final instalment of $250 million in Q3. Don't forget retrenchment payments to retrenched staff which will hit in Q3.

I expect Nokia's cash to deplete by €2 billion in Q3 and another €2 billion in Q4 if WP8 phones aren't released in Q4. So Nokia will be insolvent by end 2012 if WP8 phones are delayed until 2013 which seems very likely as I expect MS to delay WP8 until Dec. 2012.

specc	2012-07-21 , 08:29
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Originally Posted by SamGan

It's not going to happen. Have you seen any running preview of WP8? The OS is a long way from being completed and Microsoft is famous for bullshitting improbable dates.

Just FUD. Nokia employees have been using WP8 for months already. PureView Lumia was shown half a year ago.

But tell me, and be honest. Why are you all so damned negative? I am visiting several boards, Android, Symbian, WP, iOS etc. Sure there are cry babies and fanatical fanboys there as well, but they are a minority. Here, 99% have their hatred painted thick on their skins. Some group orgy hate fest? Yes, Nokia pulled the plug on the N9, get over it. Jolla is coming to rescue, and besides IMO a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus S does a much better job, if hacking and openness is what you are after. Hell, even the new Ashas are more hackable than the N9.

The painful truth is that the N9 team didn't do a good job. The N9 was not good enough for the general public, it was DOA everywhere it was introduces, nobody wanted it. It's DOA as a hackable toy, you cannot even flash the thing properly. I'm sure if Steve Jobs would have to grade the N9 team, he would have given it F on both "user device" and "hacker device".

October it is, and in November they are hitting the shelves.

	danramos	2012-07-21 , 10:18
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I'm an American. And xenophobia is not exclusive to Europe.

The whole "piss on Nokia" is because Nokia has pissed on itself.

He clearly misspoke, then:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Nobody says there is no xenophobia in America. Just less of it. Yes, Nokia pissed on itself prior to Elop.

And during Elop's reign as well. Everyone else is also pissing all over Nokia, including Microsoft themselves. It really couldn't be helped, though. They made it so easy when they decided to stop trying to catch up to everyone else by competing on innovations, customer service and business savvy and instead put all their faith in Microsoft to save them.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Originally Posted by Dared
I have, and there is no way i would buy one. The 2 biggest things i use -mass storage mode and Bluetooth transfer, don't exist, for that reason alone i would never buy one

Lumiaman, you do know that the lumias have the highest return rate of any phone in Nokia's history. Why would this be the case if it's so good?

Mass storage and bluetooth transfer are your concerns? I am laughing hard

Tactful avoidance to a question can sometimes speak volumes. This was one of those moments.

Originally Posted by specc

But tell me, and be honest. Why are you all so damned negative?

Could it be two words: past performance? So far, you're still in the incredible minority despite your assurances that you're not and despite your so-far-empty assurances that you have accurate facts to back your claims. Your claims haven't been bearing out, even by Nokia's latest reports.

But let's look at a pretty good statement here:

"Nokia's own CEO says that for several weeks already towards the end of Q2, Nokia's own Lumia sales had stopped growing. That was 'Peak Lumia'. On a Quarterly basis, the 4 million was it. There won't be more growth now. Now we are seeing the decline. Now the last lies are exposed, AT&T did not sell two million, rather closer to one tenth of that amount haha. And now that Microsoft has kindly Osborned all Lumia units, we will see a dramatic decline. Some carriers have already resorted to literally one penny deals, others have stopped total Lumia sales like T-Mobile Germany (the biggest carrier/operator in Europe's biggest country and very big Nokia client). And the smart ones, like Verizon (biggest carrier in USA) or China Mobile (biggest carrier in the biggest country on the planet and biggest smartphone market, China) laugh as they refused to take any Lumia and never got into this quagmire of upset customers."

How can you NOT want to see a company like Nokia fail if they treat their products, their customers and their own employees the way they did? At least the good news is that there are that many fewer people to be effected by their failure who have moved on to other jobs or careers with a better future (even flipping burgers seems to have a far more positive outcome lately).

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	volt	2012-07-21 , 12:12
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I am so negative because I look at the failing numbers and don't paint a fantasy picture of how it has just, today, turned around for real this time.

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Lumiaman	2012-07-21 , 12:33
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Originally Posted by danramos

He clearly misspoke, then:

And during Elop's reign as well. Everyone else is also pissing all over Nokia, including Microsoft themselves. It really couldn't be helped, though. They made it so easy when they decided to stop trying to catch up to everyone else by competing on innovations, customer service and business savvy and instead put all their faith in Microsoft to save them.

Tactful avoidance to a question can sometimes speak volumes. This was one of those moments.

Could it be two words: past performance? So far, you're still in the incredible minority despite your assurances that you're not and despite your so-far-empty assurances that you have accurate facts to back your claims. Your claims haven't been bearing out, even by Nokia's latest reports.

But let's look at a pretty good statement here:
"Nokia's own CEO says that for several weeks already towards the end of Q2, Nokia's own Lumia sales had stopped growing. That was 'Peak Lumia'. On a Quarterly basis, the 4 million was it. There won't be more growth now. Now we are seeing the decline. Now the last lies are exposed, AT&T did not sell two million, rather closer to one tenth of that amount haha. And now that Microsoft has kindly Osborned all Lumia units, we will see a dramatic decline. Some carriers have already resorted to literally one penny deals, others have stopped total Lumia sales like T-Mobile Germany (the biggest carrier/operator in Europe's biggest country and very big Nokia client). And the smart ones, like Verizon (biggest carrier in USA) or China Mobile (biggest carrier in the biggest country on the planet and biggest smartphone market, China) laugh as they refused to take any Lumia and never got into this quagmire of upset customers."
How can you NOT want to see a company like Nokia fail if they treat their products, their customers and their own employees the way they did? At least the good news is that there are that many fewer people to be effected by their failure who have moved on to other jobs or careers with a better future (even flipping burgers seems to have a far more positive outcome lately).

Have you ever used lumia 900 or 800

cheve	2012-07-21 , 15:37
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fwiw, I have just seen a local ad (from a huge national chain) asking for $0.0 on a 3yr contract for the Lumia 900 plus giving away a $100 gift card. regardless of brand, $0 for a smartphone is a nice deal - even more so, if the phone is a recent released one. however, it does not speak well on how popular(or the demand) for this phone is. as a comparison, the same ad ask for $99(w/ 3 yr contract) for the samsung note.

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