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2011-07-15
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But they never stopped work on Maemo?
And most of what they've used to build Maemo6+Meego-core Compatibility Layer does rely on OSS?
I'd argue the OSS community has benefited just as much, perhaps more, from collaboration w/Nokia.
What about all the open stuff they've improved & then dumped back out there, their closed stuff only constitutes a small % of the entire OS.
I think what you're talking about is being disillusioned with how things panned out with the N900?
I agree Nokia was quite deceptive there, many people had expectations it was going to be a "mainstream" smartphone experience (ala iOS/Android) + geek cred.
Nokia clearly didn't try too hard to communicate what the N900's purpose/emphasis was, TBH I don't think they really knew themselves.
They were somewhat schizophrenic...
Still trying to reconcile their partitioned product lines, & Symbian's place in all of that, & hence were tepid in their conviction about the N900.
Last edited by jalyst; 2011-07-15 at 10:57.
And most of what they've used to build Maemo6+Meego-core Compatibility Layer does rely on OSS?
I'd argue the OSS community has benefited just as much, perhaps more, from collaboration w/Nokia.
What about all the open stuff they've improved & then dumped back out there, their closed stuff only constitutes a small % of the entire OS.
I think what you're talking about is being disillusioned with how things panned out with the N900?
I agree Nokia was quite deceptive there, many people had expectations it was going to be a "mainstream" smartphone experience (ala iOS/Android) + geek cred.
Nokia clearly didn't try too hard to communicate what the N900's purpose/emphasis was, TBH I don't think they really knew themselves.
They were somewhat schizophrenic...
Still trying to reconcile their partitioned product lines, & Symbian's place in all of that, & hence were tepid in their conviction about the N900.
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2011-07-15
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Hmmmm how can you say they never stopped work on Maemo when it is common place now and official that they have ceased all development for Maemo, if you know different please let me have something official to read?.
But they never stopped work on Maemo?
And most of what they've used to build Maemo6+Meego-core Compatibility Layer does rely on OSS?
I'd argue the OSS community has benefited just as much, perhaps more, from collaboration w/Nokia.
What about all the open stuff they've improved & then dumped back out there, their closed stuff only constitutes a small % of the entire OS.
I think what you're talking about is being disillusioned with how things panned out with the N900?
I agree Nokia was quite deceptive there, many people had expectations it was going to be a "mainstream" smartphone experience (ala iOS/Android) + geek cred.
Nokia clearly didn't try too hard to communicate what the N900's purpose/emphasis was, TBH I don't think they really knew themselves.
They were somewhat schizophrenic...
Still trying to reconcile their partitioned product lines, & Symbian's place in all of that, & hence were tepid in their conviction about the N900.
Nokia did not need to "communicate" with anyone regarding the N900 as i said before they expected development much higher level than this community gave to further the os, i am probably the wrong person to talk too regarding anything good of Nokia as i have already stated i am very sinister of them now and it has got a LOT worse since the partnership with M/S and Elop.
I know only too well that no company will put all there eggs in one basket and produce the "mobile" of a lifetime but i do think Nokia should give a device far better than the N900 knowing now full well what people crave for thanks to this community and its members i might add, they aint stupid they are just greedy in my opinion.
I feel certain that the next year will prove the downfall or success of Nokia and i personally think it will somehow judder back to the original Nokia we once knew (or is that wishfull thinking ha).
Nokia's downfall is there software development as the hardware they can produce could be faultless given the chance.
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2011-07-15
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Hmm not entirely getting the point/s you're trying to make.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree/misunderstand one another
I do agree their software dev. has been an utter shambles...
But I do feel they were finally "turning the corner" just as Elop "pulled the plug".
And since that whole change in strategy, everything has been made twice as hard for them.
Their work is almost futile/pointless now....
If I was one of the Nokia Harmattan devs, I would've given up & moved on by now.
So, massive respect to those that have "hung tight".
Last edited by jalyst; 2011-07-15 at 11:45.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree/misunderstand one another
I do agree their software dev. has been an utter shambles...
But I do feel they were finally "turning the corner" just as Elop "pulled the plug".
And since that whole change in strategy, everything has been made twice as hard for them.
Their work is almost futile/pointless now....
If I was one of the Nokia Harmattan devs, I would've given up & moved on by now.
So, massive respect to those that have "hung tight".
Last edited by jalyst; 2011-07-15 at 11:45.
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2011-07-15
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Just wanted to leave this as information, since i noticed it yesterday.
The Nokia N9 already appears in Portugal's Nokia website as soon to be available. It allows us to input email to get a notification when its available for purchase.
see here (its in portuguese):
http://www.nokia.pt/produtos/todos-os-modelos/nokia-n9
Dont know if it has appeared in any other country's websites.
Just hope the darn thing is available soon. :-P One other that should be available for purchase is the N950. ah well.
The Nokia N9 already appears in Portugal's Nokia website as soon to be available. It allows us to input email to get a notification when its available for purchase.
see here (its in portuguese):
http://www.nokia.pt/produtos/todos-os-modelos/nokia-n9
Dont know if it has appeared in any other country's websites.
Just hope the darn thing is available soon. :-P One other that should be available for purchase is the N950. ah well.
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2011-07-15
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Originally Posted by manifesto42
Thanks.
Just wanted to leave this as information, since i noticed it yesterday.
Do you know for a fact that the Portuguese site previously didn't list the N9?
Perhaps it's been listed the whole time? (i.e. since the announcement)
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2011-07-15
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Originally Posted by meego99
so what? has n9 been released yet? AFAIK no...
i was just in stockholm and loved it. i saw a huge number of iphones and very few nokia phones...
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2011-07-15
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Originally Posted by danramos
you seems forget about Qt that is more and more opensource and they want more people to work on it.
Nope. I'm saying 1) Maemo/MeeGo CE is no better and 2) Nokia used to keep puffing their chest up about how they used Linux and open-source--even setting up a proceedure for requesting things to get more open... apparently it was all theater.
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2011-07-15
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jalyst:
Every now and then i searched the site for it ever since the N9 announcement. It did not list the N9 until a few days ago.
Sure its nothing much, but for me makes things a bit closer. :-)
Every now and then i searched the site for it ever since the N9 announcement. It did not list the N9 until a few days ago.
Sure its nothing much, but for me makes things a bit closer. :-)
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2011-07-15
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Originally Posted by gerbick
well no one here likes MrFlop but thats why some of us hopes he gets kicked ASAP and I still beleive it could happen if it sells well.
Definitely surprised Nokia as well. Just a shame that the returns/defects were also high.
The more I think about how in less than 48 hours, Elop staged that "turn your cameras off" conference after announcing the N9, that's perhaps the worst undercut I've seen in ages. I mean, that was clumsily handled, the leak was awkwardly timed, the N9 will suffer because of that.
Only time will tell how deliberate it really was...
WP7 is a "decent" OS. I've seen and used much better. It's going to be very far from a success for quite some time.
But appartly not for TMO members cause this forum should iinstead be sold to Google.
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I feel many people were just used by Nokia as in this so called "open" MeeGo is supposed to be but once again they are looking for free development from the public to further progression as time is money to them.
I am now very sinister of Nokia and will never trust them again.
As for this N9, we will watch and see but i certainly will no way put myself in the position i did with the N900 and go dashing out to buy one, instead i will wait and see what happens before i even think of buying.