This poll is about you. Do you want to hang on to the bitter end or not, regardless of how many devices you preordered. If you want to factor in the number of devices, feel free to create another poll. Better still, the Neo900 team should do it. But I somehow doubt they would since doing so would give a false impression that the end is nigh.

For those thinking that a poll is a good thing or bad thing ..
for the project..

your view is not relevant.
Not in the slightest.

Considering the EXTREMELY over due nature of device completion and shipment.
And time being the actual issue not just in that but also in the device specs now being outdated, as well the continuance of issues relating to having to source new parts DUE TO the passage of time and suppliers moving on... as is the nature of things..
That is the presiding issue.
Time.

As I stated over in the neo thread in response to wiki's post...
Due to the passage of time..
there most certainly is not the original 200 pre orders ...now...who will commit.

It isn't about damaging or not damaging the project.
It isn't about vitriol or rant or opinion.

It is simply about fact.
Time.
So much has passed that the initial pre order number of committed people cannot possibly be anywhere near that figure now.

If some wish to be deluded into thinking that those numbers of devoted pre order individuals is immutable, fixed, never to change...
They are deluding themselves..
We are talking of human beings.
things change ...especially with the passage of so much time.

If some think "the pot is being needlessly stirred" ...
peter's pic says it all.
If there is officially nothing but silence from the project concerning said issues...then it is up to the investors to step up and ask questions...
When exactly should questions be asked that need answers?
Definitely everyone has been patient a VERY VERY LONG TIME now..
And most definitely the people putting money down for a device ...MOST DEFINITELY have paid for the right to ask honest questions that deserve honest answers...

Frankly there should have been continuous assessments and postings of the numbers of individuals who are still committed ...
and this should have been done long ago...like 2-3 years ago...
If such continuous updated postings had been done..
then everyone would be apprised of the situations ...as to whether or not we had the numbers of committed people still..
when we gained some or lost some...
and as a group of pre order investors could have offered SOMETHING in assistance ..however small to help out..
flog to my friends to pre order ..do something...

All I can say about it is ..
Such continuous assessments should have been done a long time ago...
The fact it is happening now ...is FAR better...than suddenly.. out of the blue...finding out the exact numbers of committed individuals and the consequent cost that they must bear for device completion.

We have the same here, but I don't know, this idiom means hiding from reality is only making the ultimate outcome worse. In the case of the Neo900, we are not paying anymore unless the project is deemed feasible so the second down payment is a thing, and we will not be refunded for what we invested so far, so I don't think keeping some trust in it is doing any harm. The opposite, however, is certainly hurting the project by sending bad signals to the team or discouraging other backers.

I know, I said that, sorry if it was a bit lost in the middle of my wall of text. This is not what I meant, I only think that trying to bring numbers with a poll that can hardly be supported, trusted or analyzed is dangerous. We don't even know what percentage of the backers the TMO community represents, and how many are regularly reading TMO every week. Polls are meant to be subsamples, but when the bias is unknown, statistics may hide the real trends or even lead to wrong conclusions. Only a real poll undertaken by the Neo900 team itself to send emails to actual backers would be reliable, even if just a fraction of them answers, and in any case it is really hard to answer the question until we know what is the final price, something only them will be able to tell during the crowdfunding campaign and depending on its success.

Yes, but we know that, and this poll is not going to tell how many are still onboard.

I have many bad/good habits. One is that I don’t read walls of texts on www. Sometimes I miss important info but most of the time it’s save me from lots of stuff + free time.

Hope this poll survives even with my vote. More strange votes plz.

This poll is no different than the initial poll of committed backers.
It is just an update as to who "remains " committed after so long.

As far as individuals from outside the forum who invested...
yes good point.
and yes ..
a more direct method of ascertaining EXACTLY who still is committed could and should be done by the neo team.
Rather ..it should be stated...that over the years it should have been done...a few times. So that everyone was continuously apprised of the situation.

So.
Here we are.
They (the neo team) didn't.
And finally a few here ARE actually asking pertinent questions that need answers.
The team still is silent ..with no official statements ..no official updates...no official answers to these questions.

There is no harm in this poll.
It will simply confirm the numbers of those committed or not committed who are still following the neo project from this forum.
So resulting numbers reflect that.

As far as not expecting a refund Kabouik...
you may not expect one.
But I most certainly do considering the project statement of pre order monies being considered a down payment...
and said monies have sat accruing interests in the bank for the last ump-tine years now...at a decent interest rate...
There is little doubt in my mind...that the team may chew through costs equating to the interest..and perhaps a bit into the principle...
but not everyone's total down payment as well.
I suggest you read up on the official statements concerning down payments.

Edit:
Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post
"So much has passed that the initial pre order number of committed people cannot possibly be anywhere near that figure now."

"Yes, but we know that, and this poll is not going to tell how many are still onboard."

What?
The poll will tell us EXACTLY how many of the original 200 pre order committed individuals ..from this forum... are committed still.
At this moment the poll results speak volumes to the opposite of your statement that it will tell us nothing.
I know my vote..and I know...so far the vote of 14 others.
185 to go.

The poll ends new years eve.
By then ..it will be obvious ..
of those who follow the forum here...
who WERE committed years and years ago...
whether or not...NOW.... ARE committed.

subtract all the answers on new years day ...yea and nay... from 200.
and there you have the number of people who :
1- do not follow the forum here.
and/or
2- have abandoned their commitment and interest and moved on.
and/or
3- are too financially / real-world problem afflicted / infirm / died since the initial calculation of committed investors was done and cannot respond.

Having less than 200 votes here will not necessarily mean that the missing people gave up on the Neo900. They might have. It may even be likely. But they might just have not answered a poll in a forum they barely follow, asking them a question too difficult to answer until they know the release date and price.

Investing in the project was a gamble in the first place, but answering Yes or No to the poll at this time is like flipping a coin unless you already know for sure that you don't want the device and prefer to let go the initial down payment. Some people are in that situation, but not all, and even if Pichlo was very careful in the way he asked the question, the bias is still here and it is a lot more difficult to tell that you will wait and pay "no matter what" if you're a potential yay, than say no if you're a nay.

Finally, categories 1, 2 and 3 are not mutually exclusive, and users that fall in category 1 may or may not fall into the others, so I still believe it will be very hard to draw any sound conclusion from the outcome of the poll other than "some people lost interest". Even that would have only little relevance, since the plan is not to limit devices to those few backers, but demonstrate a working prototype thanks to their investment and use it to start a crowdfunding campaign. The objective is to involve new backers that wouldn't take the risk we took years ago, but would still pay for a Neo900 once its production is secured as long as the minimal crowdfunding goal is reached. If the team goes for one of this kickstarter/indiegogo plans where people can back the project and be refunded their money if the goal is not reached, then it seems very feasible to me to get new people commiting, as long as there is some media coverage about the only open and secure hwkb phone around.

we will know just how many people from the forum who are still active here...voted ...by new years day.
the original poll here got 1000 members polled.
I think we can assume safely that a good 2/3 to 3/4 of the 200 people who pre ordered came from the forum here.
So let's wait and see shall we? Just how many come back to this poll...

However small or large the number...that number will have an impact.
and how they vote will have an impact.

If the neo team cannot or refuses to contact it's investors to keep apprised of their devotion to the project...
who is left to do it?

This kind of audit ...however limited as you may think (we will have some slight idea of end user cost .... by the numbers here who vote) has been LONG overdue.

While this project will likely end in failure and it is much easier to become pessimistic and cynical, please don't give up your dream of a N900 successor. For now all you can do is use whatever technolgy you can to do as best as you can. But that doesn't mean you have to sell your soul to the other side....

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...z1qzsExGjET-8M

Oh I believe in a linux alt.
and believe in a leste alt.
no fear there.
But I will either outright "buy" a completed and ready to ship device or build it myself...
Whether the neo ever is completed or not...
Never again will I ever back such an endeavour as this long drawn out nightmare..
Literally ...
Garden composting takes less time to finish..
Shakespearean death scenes take less time to finish.
And I will make sure all those around me are likewise warned away from such endeavours ...

Well, if it did nothing else, the poll confirmed that Dave999 is still among us, and still a rascal. Somehow, in my old age, I find that comforting.