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2010-02-10
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2010-02-10
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2010-02-10
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@ Switzerland
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2010-02-10
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@ Looking at y'all and sighing
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Once you are at my age you will know that looks not everyhing. Sometimes fuctionallity beats looks :-)
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2010-02-10
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@ Los Angeles
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I guess to add scrollbars generally serve the following purposes
- Incremental scroll (covered by kinetic scrolling)
- Reminder at where in a document one is (only shown with kinetic scrolling when scrolling)
- Jump to top
- Jump to bottom
- Raise awareness of being able to scroll
- Jump to approx area (In an alphabetical list, one could guess a name with P would be about 2/3 the way through).
Am I missing anything?
I doubt we will change Nokia's mind on kinetic scrolling. The problem with both is duplicate means to an end that either takes up a large amount of screen space or is only usable with a stylus. We've seen this with previous versions of Maemo which ran on devices with larger screens.
What we can do is come up with ways to solve the missing features of kinetic scrolling without hurting the user experience.
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2010-02-10
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@ Austin, TX
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It wouldn't have to look THAT shitty, though...
Maybe something like this:
It doesn't really take up more space.
The scroll bar can still be kept slim, but the sensitive area is wider than it looks so you still can use finger. It can still be as wide as in the sample picture shown, just you don't see it.
So, if your finger drags near the scroll bar, it moves the scroll bar, If it's to the left of the scroll bar's senstiive area, it does kinetic scrolling.
Acutally, I'm writing a BREW application on LG VX11K with kinetic scrolling and scroll bar for fast scrolling, so I know that will work with finger.
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2010-02-10
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2010-02-10
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@ Los Angeles
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That actually doesn't look good, is confusing as to what it even means, and still takes up a lot of space (or do we deal with weird user interaction/confusion when the scroll tab is covering user content?
If the sensitive area is wider, how do you click through to app content within it?
EDIT: and for us who have used Maemo pre-5.0, finger scrollbars take up a lot of space, and that is on a larger screen.
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2010-02-10
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Click is registered only when the finger/stylus leaves the screen, tha'ts how it has been doing in any system.
So, like in kinetic scrolling, if you have moved/dragged the finger before removing from the screen, it's registered as scroll. If you finger stays around the same area and released, it's registerd as click.
The scrolll bar works the same, you can't use it as regular scroll bar by clicking a point on the scroll bar to jump to that section, but you can still drag the scroll bar button to move up and down and from top to bottom really quick. If you release the finger wihout moving in the scroll bar's senitive area, it triggers a click on that location.
You wouldn't convince Nokia to use the smaller bar, either, as it goes against the finger-friendly aspect of Fremantle.
(No, they aren't mockups; I can barely draw to save my life, **** using Photoshop)