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2008-02-26
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Originally Posted by dont
That's pretty much impossible with kernel drivers (like wireless).
Even though we don't have access to the source code of the proprietary parts - would it be possible to incorporate the binaries of these parts into a NIT version of Ubuntu Mobile?
Or just use the window manager from Ubuntu Mobile?
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2008-02-26
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#13
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iirc, this a moblin implementation, and moblin contains hildon libs:
http://moblin.org/documentation/docu...quirements.php
http://moblin.org/documentation/docu...quirements.php
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2008-02-26
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From what I have read around here and the web, a Java runtime (not the same as javascript) won't happen because of the ARM licensing issue has yet to be resolved or may never be.
But an Ubuntu port would be very interesting for me as I use a Franklin CDU680 USB EVDO modem which has Ubuntu drivers already loaded on the the device's built-in thumb drive. Not sure if they would run as provided but I would bet good money that Franklin would be interested in seeing what they could do...they would be the first...even if it means an active USB cable or hub is required. Still a captive user core...nice for business on a mobile device.
But an Ubuntu port would be very interesting for me as I use a Franklin CDU680 USB EVDO modem which has Ubuntu drivers already loaded on the the device's built-in thumb drive. Not sure if they would run as provided but I would bet good money that Franklin would be interested in seeing what they could do...they would be the first...even if it means an active USB cable or hub is required. Still a captive user core...nice for business on a mobile device.
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2008-02-26
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Originally Posted by brecklundin
As I understand it, that only applies to the hardware java acceleration that is built into the version of the ARM chip our devices use.
From what I have read around here and the web, a Java runtime (not the same as javascript) won't happen because of the ARM licensing issue has yet to be resolved or may never be.
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That's sad really, as it's supposed to be quite capable and would be much more battery-efficient than a software java.
Purely software based java would have none of these issues.
I have seen 3 different java projects on these devices, and am chomping at the bit for a fully functional one so I can run freemind!
http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobile...tformsNokia800
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/jfalkne...nd_the_no.html
This 1st one sorta works, but has no maemo integration, so was borderline useless for freemind.
The 2nd one just gives me errors about missing jars (I'm not a java programmer).
The 3rd one, I can't find a URL for as I couldn't get it do work at all and abandoned it.
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2008-02-26
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Originally Posted by glabifrons
ahhhhh...ok, now I see...I had not considered the licensing was for just the hardware acceleration side. Well, that's good news, even if software only is gonna carry a bit of a battery hit, at least it does mean we'll have access to a LOT more apps...and like you, I think Freemind is GREAT. I also use a snipping program for bidding on eBay that is a Java app.
As I understand it, that only applies to the hardware java acceleration that is built into the version of the ARM chip our devices use.
That's sad really, as it's supposed to be quite capable and would be much more battery-efficient than a software java.
Purely software based java would have none of these issues.
I have seen 3 different java projects on these devices, and am chomping at the bit for a fully functional one so I can run freemind!
http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobile...tformsNokia800
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/jfalkne...nd_the_no.html
This 1st one sorta works, but has no maemo integration, so was borderline useless for freemind.
The 2nd one just gives me errors about missing jars (I'm not a java programmer).
The 3rd one, I can't find a URL for as I couldn't get it do work at all and abandoned it.
THANKS!!
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2008-02-26
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Hm. Wonder what it would add to the price of the N800/N810 to enable that Java capability.
I wonder if it could be an add-on that Nokia can enable if you're willing to pay extra. Without the add-on license key or if a control panel preference is set to software java == slow java. With the add-on license key and the preference set to hardware accelerated java == fast java.
I wonder if it could be an add-on that Nokia can enable if you're willing to pay extra. Without the add-on license key or if a control panel preference is set to software java == slow java. With the add-on license key and the preference set to hardware accelerated java == fast java.
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2008-02-26
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Originally Posted by fpp
That it does; and while I don't really want UM on my IT till I learn more, having a shell replacement that fits what these screens show would be quite nice to have. Like Canola, it seems to leverage the screenspace and touch-ability of the ITs nicely.
Looks a lot like Canola :-)
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2008-02-26
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Originally Posted by dont
Even though we don't have access to the source code of the proprietary parts - would it be possible to incorporate the binaries of these parts into a NIT version of Ubuntu Mobile?
Originally Posted by jussik
Wrong. Alternate kernels have been compiled. I'm not certain whether the approach Nokia uses involves binary lumps that are linked in, or entire binary-only modules, but either way, it works, as long as you use the same (or close enough that no relevant interfaces have changed) kernel version. Even if not, you could always use the whole Nokia kernel.
That's pretty much impossible with kernel drivers (like wireless).
Yes, it's quite possible. But Ubuntu can't distribute those (and may not want to, for ideological reasons), so there's some serious hurdle-jumping required to get a complete installation. Take something from Ubuntu, add some Nokia stuff to make an image on the computer, then flash it or load it on an MMC partition. Check out the current progress with running Debian Sid; and that's already compiled for armel. Here you have to compile everything, and then mix and squeeze it into the tablet.
Last edited by Benson; 2008-02-27 at 13:01. Reason: Fix quote
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2008-02-27
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Originally Posted by spiros
The day Nokia documents the proprietary parts of their ITs i will buy the latest IT, because the hardware is really nice.
The Ubuntu Mobile FAQ (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ) states:
Can I run it on a Nokia N770/N800?
As stated above, our current focus in in x86 processors. Despite should be no big problem port it to run on ARM, the Nokia devices have proprietary parts that we can't have access so the port will be, at the best, incomplete. My take on that is, at least for now, if you have a Nokia N770 or N800, stick with Nokia's software.
But as far as i know Nokia this will never happen. They need users who are like sheeps...
If they had, I might be interested in it, though. I had been looking at it before I decided to buy my N800, as a "if only they were making this, I'd get one instead of an iPhone".