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2009-04-20
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Originally Posted by daperl
Well, obviously our primary aim is to provide a good mobile user experience. It kind of depends what one means by "trendy". "Trends" can be seen as solutions that people are generally leaning towards, and as such aren't necessarily bad or good. Nobody here is trying to be "trendy", we've got better things to do.
The only interesting thing to me about speculating is the why. And my opinion is that every reason Nokia has given or will give for the following decisions has been or will be bullsh*t. And by bullsh*t I mean that Nokia continues to sacrifice a good computing experience for a trendy one..
- Removal of dpad from outside case
- Removal of stylus and stylus holder from product
- Removal of stylus keyboard from application framework
- Eventual removal of resistive touch screen
It is possible that we don't agree on what makes a good mobile computing user experience, but it's hard to comment more before concrete product launches. Perhaps we have come back to these questions and reasonings after such an event.
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2009-04-20
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Originally Posted by daperl
It annoys me to see speculation on why something had been dropped, without making it clear that you were also speculating what had been dropped.
Please reread the thread title. This is speculation. My why speculation is based on actual product and forum comments from Nokia employees. I then twist them accordingly. The "no why before what" comment made no sense to me.
If you said, "I think they're going to drop the stylus because a) the stylus keyboard has gone, b) the Nokia 5800 has a plectrum instead of a stylus, c) the concentration on finger-friendliness and d) a possible aim for a capactive screen" - that's what speculation.
If you then said, "I think they're doing this because Microsoft has formed a deal with green space-faring lizards to put Nokia out of business as Maemo is a threat to Windows" - that's why speculation.
The key phrases in both of these are "I think". Some things we know for certain (some things we know so well, we have to say them over and over); some things we don't. The only people who know everything don't say anything, so it's disingenuous of you to suggest you know the stylus has been dropped.
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2009-04-20
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Yes, sorry, you're right. I'm mixing why with what and I'm mixing speculation with fact. And then I'm mixing combinations of both. But humans are differentiating and integrating machines. And that's a big part of the reason we're so good at quick pattern and trend recognition. For better or for worse, that's the goal of my speculation. But I can start over with a different approach like:
What is something Nokia changed from the n800 to the n810?
They moved the dpad inside.
Why did they do that?
I don't know. I can't even guess because they don't know me so I'm sure it was nothing personal. If it was something personal, I would like to work it out.
What is something Nokia is changing from Maemo 4 to Maemo 5?
They're removing the stylus keyboard.
Why are they doing that?
I don't know why. They tried to tell me but I wasn't getting it. I think they hate me.
And so on and so on.
Am I getting warmer or colder? More after my break.
What is something Nokia changed from the n800 to the n810?
They moved the dpad inside.
Why did they do that?
I don't know. I can't even guess because they don't know me so I'm sure it was nothing personal. If it was something personal, I would like to work it out.
What is something Nokia is changing from Maemo 4 to Maemo 5?
They're removing the stylus keyboard.
Why are they doing that?
I don't know why. They tried to tell me but I wasn't getting it. I think they hate me.
And so on and so on.
Am I getting warmer or colder? More after my break.
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2009-04-20
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Thanks for your comments.
Well, obviously our primary aim is to provide a good mobile user experience. It kind of depends what one means by "trendy". "Trends" can be seen as solutions that people are generally leaning towards, and as such aren't necessarily bad or good. Nobody here is trying to be "trendy", we've got better things to do.
It is possible that we don't agree on what makes a good mobile computing user experience, but it's hard to comment more before concrete product launches. Perhaps we have come back to these questions and reasonings after such an event.
There is a history and context here that fairly suggests what is considered by the existing customerbase to be a "good" mobile computing user experience. I hope there there will not be a shift in the criteria for determining what is good from the existing customers that bought NITs (and who thus leaned towards one solution) to those other "people" that are generally leaning towards different solutions?
Not to rehash the discussion, but there is a lot that could be done to improve user experience without changing those aspects that distinguish the NITs from other devices. At launch, it won't merely be a matter of whether or not the user experience is then "good" and, if so, all changes are justified. The applicable questions and reasoning for some of us will be whether there was a recognizable updating or progression/evolution of the solution embodied by the NITs to remove identified deficiencies in the predecessors, or whether some of the known and existing distinguishing aspects of the NITs were instead removed in the direction of other solutions "that people are leaning towards".
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2009-04-20
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Originally Posted by daperl
Or a refined OMAP3 770!
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After 5700 posts my most memorable is when you, a then Nokia employee, said they need to have refreshes of both the n800 and n810. Man would I like to have a refined OMAP3 n800.
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2009-04-21
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Originally Posted by mullf
I see no reason why a refreshed OMAP3 770 and a refreshed OMAP3 n800 couldn't be the same device. If you could have your protective case, how could you lose?
Or a refined OMAP3 770!
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2009-04-21
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Originally Posted by daperl
woo-hoo!!!
i see no reason why a refreshed omap3 770 and a refreshed omap3 n800 couldn't be the same device. If you could have your protective case, how could you lose?
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2009-04-21
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Well, it's not obvious that your primary aim is to provide a good mobile experience. Providing a good mobile experience seems to be your secondary or less aim. What does seem obvious is that selling lots of product at the highest margin possible is your primary aim. Trying to provide a good mobile experience might be one way to that end, but at the moment it seems that you have nothing better to do than be "trendy." And I speculate that your board members would agree with me.
Well, obviously our primary aim is to provide a good mobile user experience. It kind of depends what one means by "trendy". "Trends" can be seen as solutions that people are generally leaning towards, and as such aren't necessarily bad or good. Nobody here is trying to be "trendy", we've got better things to do.
It is possible that we don't agree on what makes a good mobile computing user experience, but it's hard to comment more before concrete product launches. Perhaps we have come back to these questions and reasonings after such an event.
Why after two iterations of internet tablets did you decide to remove the dpad and the menu button from the screen bezel?
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2009-04-21
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Originally Posted by daperl
Strong words for somebody who hasn't even seen the product.
Well, it's not obvious that your primary aim is to provide a good mobile experience. Providing a good mobile experience seems to be your secondary or less aim. What does seem obvious is that selling lots of product at the highest margin possible is your primary aim. Trying to provide a good mobile experience might be one way to that end, but at the moment it seems that you have nothing better to do than be "trendy." And I speculate that your board members would agree with me.
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