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2017-12-24
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Originally Posted by juiceme
American here and no. Only the obnoxious folks talk about their salaries here for the most part.
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2017-12-24
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Another American here and I agree. Americans are famous for defining themselves by the work they do. But, paradoxically, discussing salary is considered verboten.
American here and no. Only the obnoxious folks talk about their salaries here for the most part.
Public sector employee salaries are a matter of public record and are easily looked up. Even then, it is considered bad form amongst the relevant employees to discuss them.
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2017-12-25
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OK, I have to confess I am a bit shocked at that information; I somehow assumed that in the states it is important for people to know how much they are making when compared to their peers.
Last edited by juiceme; 2017-12-25 at 15:48. Reason: typo
Last edited by juiceme; 2017-12-25 at 15:48. Reason: typo
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2017-12-27
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I have a first-hand experience with two countries, Slovakia and the UK. I also have a second-hand experience - through relatives living there - with three more: Czechia, Italy and Ukraine. And it is the same everywhere. No one talks about their salaries except with their spouse and, sometimes, close friends. The Ukrainian contact is the most secretive.
I am in two minds about openness of such kind. I can see the potential benefits but also the drawbacks, as exemplified by the recent furore about the "pay gaps" in various organizations. People tend to focus on how much more Jack earns than Mary but somehow forget the tiny details such as how much more Jack gives to the company, how much more overtime he works, or, in case of celebrities like actors and tennis players, how many more crowds he brings in.
In short, I agree that person X and pesron Y shoud get the same amount of money for the same amount of work. The tricky bit is proving they do the same amount of work.
I am in two minds about openness of such kind. I can see the potential benefits but also the drawbacks, as exemplified by the recent furore about the "pay gaps" in various organizations. People tend to focus on how much more Jack earns than Mary but somehow forget the tiny details such as how much more Jack gives to the company, how much more overtime he works, or, in case of celebrities like actors and tennis players, how many more crowds he brings in.
In short, I agree that person X and pesron Y shoud get the same amount of money for the same amount of work. The tricky bit is proving they do the same amount of work.
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2017-12-28
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Thanks, that knowledge is valluable to me when formulating my thesis. It indeed seems to be a global phenomenon and not only related to workers in Finland as I first assumed.
I have a first-hand experience with two countries, Slovakia and the UK. I also have a second-hand experience - through relatives living there - with three more: Czechia, Italy and Ukraine. And it is the same everywhere. No one talks about their salaries except with their spouse and, sometimes, close friends. The Ukrainian contact is the most secretive.
Originally Posted by pichlo
Ah, but now this is exactly the beef in the situation here!
I am in two minds about openness of such kind. I can see the potential benefits but also the drawbacks, as exemplified by the recent furore about the "pay gaps" in various organizations. People tend to focus on how much more Jack earns than Mary but somehow forget the tiny details such as how much more Jack gives to the company, how much more overtime he works, or, in case of celebrities like actors and tennis players, how many more crowds he brings in.
In short, I agree that person X and pesron Y shoud get the same amount of money for the same amount of work. The tricky bit is proving they do the same amount of work.
To ensure fair compensation for the work done requires competent leadership/management and in many cases that is an essence that is missing in many companies.
Hiding the issue is not the answer; just like in SWD agile methods and Kaizen work because the problems are made visible and not hidden away and smoothed over, similarily management should be visible to correct the problems therein!
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Fair and available salaries are a tiny issue for a select few. A bigger issue is that its very expensive to be poor.
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