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2007-10-16
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Who says Nokia are dropping support for the 800 like they did the 770?
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2007-10-16
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Originally Posted by Tuxedosteve
No one needs to say anything. If the new device actually sells well enough, there is no need to waste resources and time with the N800 people. Look at the N770, a prime example of guinea pig marketing.
Who says Nokia are dropping support for the 800 like they did the 770?
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2007-10-16
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They've already said the N800 will be supported for at least Chinook and Diablo. In development terms that's quite a long time.
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2007-10-16
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Originally Posted by tubbycricket
If that all were true, but the assumption of shifting all support is simply not valid. It simply isn't.
So by your implication, you wouldn't care if you paid money for the new N810, only to have a newer version come out a few months later and all support shifted to that device?
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2007-10-16
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Originally Posted by tubbycricket
Yes, but Nokia people have repeatedly admitted that they screwed up with how they handled the 770. So I'm still hopeful that the N800 situation will be handled better.
No one needs to say anything. If the new device actually sells well enough, there is no need to waste resources and time with the N800 people. Look at the N770, a prime example of guinea pig marketing.
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2007-10-16
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Equivocal use of words. Not all but most. Sorry for using such absolute terminology when I know that there are better words to convey the idea that the majority of company resources focused to new products than extremely old, decrepit, and obsolete 10 month devices.
If that all were true, but the assumption of shifting all support is simply not valid. It simply isn't.
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2007-10-16
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As pointed out above, it's definitive that Maemo 4.0 and 5.0 (Chinook and Diablo) will have IT OS releases (2008 and 2009?) for the N800. This has come straight from the horse's mouth.
The only worry then is that if the hardware gets much better, third party apps will leave the slower hardware behind. That's not happened with the 770, so why panic about it happening with the N800 when the N810 and its successors are released?
New devices show a real commitment to the platform as the capital costs of launching new hardware far outweigh a small development team. New devices also sell better than existing devices due to the exposure they get, which increases users and developers, and puts more money into the OS upgrades for our existing devices.
The only worry then is that if the hardware gets much better, third party apps will leave the slower hardware behind. That's not happened with the 770, so why panic about it happening with the N800 when the N810 and its successors are released?
New devices show a real commitment to the platform as the capital costs of launching new hardware far outweigh a small development team. New devices also sell better than existing devices due to the exposure they get, which increases users and developers, and puts more money into the OS upgrades for our existing devices.
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2007-10-16
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Originally Posted by aflegg
I thought the N800 was the solid entry for materializing the Internet Tablet category. How can the lifespan of such a device be so short but at the same time convert the masses to look at the internet in a new way? Not even a year old and 2nd generation product priced as a keeper, and they already move on. Will the 3rd generation product be the actual mainstay and killer-app for ITs? Seeing what Nokia did to N770 and N800, I doubt it, and I'll relinquish my position from an early adopter to a laggard if it means I'll be buying a product that was meant to be a true revolutionary device.
As pointed out above, it's definitive that Maemo 4.0 and 5.0 (Chinook and Diablo) will have IT OS releases (2008 and 2009?) for the N800. This has come straight from the horse's mouth.
The only worry then is that if the hardware gets much better, third party apps will leave the slower hardware behind. That's not happened with the 770, so why panic about it happening with the N800 when the N810 and its successors are released?
New devices show a real commitment to the platform as the capital costs of launching new hardware far outweigh a small development team. New devices also sell better than existing devices due to the exposure they get, which increases users and developers, and puts more money into the OS upgrades for our existing devices.
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2007-10-16
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There will always be someone who buys the current device a few weeks before it's replaced by the latest and greatest - unfortunately that person is you tubbycricket and I think you're just p1ssed that you fall into that category, it happens to us all at least once.
Without a doubt, your N800 will be supported for the next two major OS releases (Maemo 4 and Maemo 5, Chinook and Diablo, OS 2008 and OS 2009) and you will be able to take advantage of most if not all of the future planned services and software.
While I'm a little surprised the N800 is being superceeded within 12 months, concrete assurances have been given that it will receive continued support and I fully expect the life cycle for future Nokia Internet Tablets to reduce as competition increases and more inovative devices appear from other manufacturers. Virtually every consumer electronics device receives a 1 year refresh, computing devices even more quickly than that. The lifespan of the Nokia Tablets is not unreasonable as they will receive continued support.
If you're not happy with the N800 because it's been (or is about to be) superceeded (with what, nobody knows!) perhaps the N800 wasn't the right device for you in the first place?
Last edited by Milhouse; 2007-10-16 at 09:28.
Without a doubt, your N800 will be supported for the next two major OS releases (Maemo 4 and Maemo 5, Chinook and Diablo, OS 2008 and OS 2009) and you will be able to take advantage of most if not all of the future planned services and software.
While I'm a little surprised the N800 is being superceeded within 12 months, concrete assurances have been given that it will receive continued support and I fully expect the life cycle for future Nokia Internet Tablets to reduce as competition increases and more inovative devices appear from other manufacturers. Virtually every consumer electronics device receives a 1 year refresh, computing devices even more quickly than that. The lifespan of the Nokia Tablets is not unreasonable as they will receive continued support.
If you're not happy with the N800 because it's been (or is about to be) superceeded (with what, nobody knows!) perhaps the N800 wasn't the right device for you in the first place?
Last edited by Milhouse; 2007-10-16 at 09:28.
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2007-10-16
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To Tubbycricket:
"Maemo provides an open source development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets and other Linux-based devices."
The following is stating the obvious, but I think here it is worthwhile to be said: an UI platform - any UI platform - is intended to run on multiple devices.
That's of course the key idea of a platform: instead of having to build new SW for each new device, multiple different devices ("different products") can run the same SW. "It simply saves money." A company can bring out different products, serving some different needs, user groups and focus areas without having to create the software again. A platform is not tied to any particular product.
Or from another perspective: Simply think of the business interests of a company. The interest is there to keep the compatibility, if it can be kept. Nobody wants to shoot themselves in the foot, if it can be avoided. The consequences of these ideas should be easy to figure out. They are ... they should be obvious.
"Maemo provides an open source development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets and other Linux-based devices."
The following is stating the obvious, but I think here it is worthwhile to be said: an UI platform - any UI platform - is intended to run on multiple devices.
That's of course the key idea of a platform: instead of having to build new SW for each new device, multiple different devices ("different products") can run the same SW. "It simply saves money." A company can bring out different products, serving some different needs, user groups and focus areas without having to create the software again. A platform is not tied to any particular product.
Or from another perspective: Simply think of the business interests of a company. The interest is there to keep the compatibility, if it can be kept. Nobody wants to shoot themselves in the foot, if it can be avoided. The consequences of these ideas should be easy to figure out. They are ... they should be obvious.