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ragnar is offline ragnar
2007-11-27 , 16:34
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The Nokia 7700/7710 (no, it's NOT the "N7710", please stop confusing yourself was a Symbian Series 90 UI powered smartphone. Symbian development focused on the Series 60 UI, for many reasons. As has been released, future versions of the Series 60 will once again support touch screens.

The Nokia 770 (it's not called the "N770"), the N800 and the N810 are Linux powered Internet tablets, built from scratch on top of open source components. There is very little shared with the 7710 device - although Nokia certainly uses some same technological components in multiple products - since the underlying codebase is fundamentally different. It is "not the same product with the GSM part removed".
 
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Karel Jansens is offline Karel Jansens
2007-11-27 , 16:48
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
The Nokia 7700/7710 (no, it's NOT the "N7710", please stop confusing yourself was a Symbian Series 90 UI powered smartphone. Symbian development focused on the Series 60 UI, for many reasons. As has been released, future versions of the Series 60 will once again support touch screens.

The Nokia 770 (it's not called the "N770"), the N800 and the N810 are Linux powered Internet tablets, built from scratch on top of open source components. There is very little shared with the 7710 device - although Nokia certainly uses some same technological components in multiple products - since the underlying codebase is fundamentally different. It is "not the same product with the GSM part removed".
Exactly. You might also add that Symbian Series 90 was almost painfully slow on the 7700 and 7710 (I think the 7700 was an "extended prototype" -- a bit like the Zaurus 5000 -- and not even meant for sale to the general public).

There was, in fact, one thing that did make it from the 7710 to the 770: Hildon. The user interface on the 7710 is an early version of Hildon on the Internet Tablets.

But that's it. "Darius2006" is making an oversized fool of himself by even suggesting that the two product lines have more than a passing resemblance. Ignorance isn't a bad thing in itself, but flaunting it is...
 
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2007-11-27 , 17:21
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Originally Posted by pearl62 View Post
I had a 7710, and I found it incredibly frustrating because of a few bugs... and the fact that the OS (series-80) was a dead end. Also, only RS-MMC cards.
It is an old device, predating the N770 by about a year.

They ran Symbian Series 90, not S80. S80 is the OS for the older communicator devices, 9300, 9500, 9300i, and older.

Edit: Oh, it looks like a few other people already did the clarifications. Sorry!
 
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2007-11-27 , 17:50
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Exactly. You might also add that Symbian Series 90 was almost painfully slow on the 7700 and 7710 (I think the 7700 was an "extended prototype" -- a bit like the Zaurus 5000 -- and not even meant for sale to the general public).
There was, in fact, one thing that did make it from the 7710 to the 770: Hildon. The user interface on the 7710 is an early version of Hildon on the Internet Tablets.
I have one 7710: the speed is acceptable in some use cases, but not so much in others. Going back to its browser for instance serves as a really good reminder on how much progress there has actually been made since that device.

The story of Hildon is interesting. Having been involved in its design I can certainly say that yes the initial baseline has bases on the Series 90 UI, but then again, the end result that is right now in the device - or that was even in the 770 timeframe - isn't really so closely the same.

To be specific, Task launching is different, portraying applications as running is different, task switching is different, task closing is different, the Home view is different, status access, text input methods, connectivity behaviour, main applications are all really different from the Series 90 UI style...

There are some elements that have currently remained: menus, overall style of dialogs etc., but really it's not as big of a list as you might assume. Also there are some things that if you create UI's on touch screen devices that rather naturally form into certain design patterns. Still, it's not invalid to point out the Hildon roots.
 
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2007-11-27 , 18:08
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get a laptop if you are unsure. n800/n810 stilll too limited to substitute. no printing, no battery saving suspend mode (hibernate), most apps unstable in one way or another. n810 only preferred for people who like to play with stuff and are pretty good at Debian linux.
 
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2007-11-27 , 18:16
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Originally Posted by Darius2006 View Post
My dear friend,

don't try to close our mouths.
First, I don't consider myself your dear friend, in fact you're starting to annoy me. Which is really a first on ITT.
Secondly, nobody's trying to "close your mouths". Please re-read what I wrote. There are multiple forums on ITT, in case you haven't noticed. You're posting about a completely irrelevant topic in the N810 forum, I merely suggested you move that to the proper, made-on-purpose forum called Off Topic, right here on ITT, where this discussion would be fine. Instead you post a new irrelevant thread in an N810 forum.

Oh, why am I even bothering, I know you don't care for such things.

EDIT: I was a bit grumpy there, but only the Nigerian mafia call me 'dear friend' these days..
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kingka is offline kingka
2007-11-27 , 18:47
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this is the best thread ever.. did anyone catch heroes last night?? sylar is crazzy!! just killed maya's brother. i mean. wtf
 
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2007-11-27 , 19:08
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lol... well, as we're so incredibly off-topic anyway, why not? Let's talk about Heroes..
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kingka is offline kingka
2007-11-27 , 19:44
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yea,my good friend... maya (maja??) is a cutie. i hope she doesnt die and wtf is up with kensae?? is he good or bad? man, this is intense....
 
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2007-11-27 , 21:04
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Originally Posted by Darius2006 View Post

I just need to know if I should decide to buy another tablet made by Nokia, i.e. N810
Probably not. Given what you've said, it seems unlikely that the experience of owning an N810 will rise to the level of your expectations.
 
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