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2008-01-07
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This gets my vote for the most MEANINGLESS poll and post so far this year.
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2008-01-07
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Again, I think it may be best to return it for refund and get the iPaq 111.
Seriously though, Maemo and Nokia needs a better framework for the repositories. I've never been "that happy" with their solution, but for something that's not admittedly fully a "typical user product", then as far as it goes, it's just ok.
I've not had the same errors as you in the browser. And that's with me still running my sessions through Privoxy and hitting multiple sites while either when I shouldn't be or when I'm surfing the web vigorously while in "the office"...
Either way, you're seeing a few odd things. The rest... it's not ready for primetime yet.
I won't have a "great" internet experience, but with Opera on it at least it will be more reliable and usable. I never give a bad product a second chance when the manufacturer doesn't respond to so many concerns by paying customers. Especially after all the issues I've had. If it was a physically damaged item, I'd exchange it. This thing is internally flawed by software only partially good-to-go, and many users share those flaws. I've been jaded by MS. Again.
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2008-01-07
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It's a typical fake poll, as in "check a if you think Obama is perfect, b if you think he killed his father, c if you think he's an embezzler, d if you think he's a phony"
What a choice!
What a choice!
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2008-01-07
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Originally Posted by Moonshine
Then so are the majority of the posts in here, my friend. Apparently you are much better versed in the intricate details of the Nokia IT but many people are not so inclined nor do they need to waste their time trying. People like me, for example.
This gets my vote for the most MEANINGLESS poll and post so far this year.
It would be much more fun if the core system and features were prime-time. It would also be great for Nokia to treat the OS with a more serious attitude as it's being marketed as an Internet Tablet for consumer use. Nowhere in the literature does it say that you need to spend hours dealing with inane minutia unknown to about 90% of the web users who will buy one! I'd say that gives the poll some meaning to them.
In this forum you have become a minority unless you haven't looked around at all the newb threads. What's wrong with showing Nokia in yet another thread that they have failed the majority of their buyers on a hot-selling product this Xmas season? Who cares if they don't pay attention? Wouldn't you rather pare down this forum to more senior users such as yourself to keep fools like me from posting nonsense about a DEFECTIVE product? Then you should applaud my post without disdain. My post should help perpetuate your cause and repel prospective technonoobs from this site and the purchase of an IT. Thanks for your post!
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2008-01-07
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Originally Posted by geneven
Exactly. It was mainly for fun. Every choice but the top one leads to ineptitude on Nokia's part. The topic of the poll is the part to pay attention to.
It's a typical fake poll...
What a choice!
EDIT: Not everyone is attracted to logic alone
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2008-01-07
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Originally Posted by zeusenergy
Such AMAZING insight right after the holidays where the N800 topped sales charts and Amazon and sold through at other large retailers! OF COURSE there are new users (like you) with problems in the forums. (And the repository troubles certainly haven't helped) However, as far as the ratio of angry new consumer posts go, it's the same in ANY product forum after an influx of new sales. You should see some of the crap I had to read over xmas looking for iPod touch answers for my mother.
Then so are the majority of the posts in here, my friend. Apparently you are much better versed in the intricate details of the Nokia IT but many people are not so inclined nor do they need to waste their time trying. People like me, for example.
It would be much more fun if the core system and features were prime-time. It would also be great for Nokia to treat the OS with a more serious attitude as it's being marketed as an Internet Tablet for consumer use. Nowhere in the literature does it say that you need to spend hours dealing with inane minutia unknown to about 90% of the web users who will buy one! I'd say that gives the poll some meaning to them.
In this forum you have become a minority unless you haven't looked around at all the newb threads. What's wrong with showing Nokia in yet another thread that they have failed the majority of their buyers on a hot-selling product this Xmas season? Who cares if they don't pay attention? Wouldn't you rather pare down this forum to more senior users such as yourself to keep fools like me from posting nonsense about a DEFECTIVE product? Then you should applaud my post without disdain. My post should help perpetuate your cause and repel prospective technonoobs from this site and the purchase of an IT. Thanks for your post!
The problem here is you are making a blanket statement that the OS is "defective" when many of us are using it successfully every day. My MicroB isn't crashing, my 8GB SDHC cards are not unmounting, I'm placing SIP voice and video calls, etc -- all with the built in software. Am I really the exception, or is it possible there are some hardware and new user issues at work being discussed in the forums?
Furthermore, it would be one thing to consolidate the *****ing in to one post, but then you decided to make another with a completely meaningless poll to "get Nokia's attention" and serve as a "warning" to others? Sure, that will drive the point home. Realists will always see through extremist posts like this and IMO others are beyond help.
I would:
1) Return the Nokia
2) Order a better(?) device
3) Try reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand for some balance. She does share your love for lengthy prose.
Carry on with your poll, I won't take up any more space.
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2008-01-07
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Originally Posted by Moonshine
Space? That's what this is all about. You fear that there will be so much traffic and so many threads that this forum will become cluttered. The "stay on point and on course" cop. It's okay, I've been posting what I've experienced and offered the comparison of different devices in my posts. Hopefully that will help those who buy Nokia devices. I for one, will be moving on to the delight of you and your ilk. Therefore my posting blitz tonight. I'll be petering off my time in these forums as the entire N800 experience has left me with no choice but to accept defeat. You've won and I'll be gone.
Such AMAZING insight right after the holidays where the N800 topped sales charts and Amazon and sold through at other large retailers! OF COURSE there are new users (like you) with problems in the forums. (And the repository troubles certainly haven't helped) However, as far as the ratio of angry new consumer posts go, it's the same in ANY product forum after an influx of new sales. You should see some of the crap I had to read over xmas looking for iPod touch answers for my mother.
Why yes, the truly clueless will persist without end. That doesn't mean we SHOULD have issues with the base product.
The problem here is you are making a blanket statement that the OS is "defective" when many of us are using it successfully every day. My MicroB isn't crashing, my 8GB SDHC cards are not unmounting, I'm placing SIP voice and video calls, etc -- all with the built in software. Am I really the exception, or is it possible there are some hardware and new user issues at work being discussed in the forums?
You are certainly NOT the exception, as many other people are fully satisfied. The point is there are many users having problems out of the box that have deeper implications than "how do I connect to wireless?" or "how do I turn on the unit?" questions in nearly any forum.
Furthermore, it would be one thing to consolidate the *****ing in to one post, but then you decided to make another with a completely meaningless poll to "get Nokia's attention" and serve as a "warning" to others? Sure, that will drive the point home. Realists will always see through extremist posts like this and IMO others are beyond help.
Realists? All the people with genuine concerns are not enough for Nokia to respond, and your statement mirrors Nokia's ambivalence. For all your help in these matters, you still find a place for compartmentalizing yourself from other people. Is it possible that a certain batch of N800s may be flawed or defective? Is it possible that you happen to see the IT2008 OS as perfection while others are wondering what Nokia was smoking? The writing is on the wall, and yet you cannot read what is written. Denial of something based on what you experience and disregarding the experience of others as untrue, it's you who has no concept of the collective reality. You only have your own to refer to. I accept your success with the device and wish you many happy years of use. You cannot accept that other people may have issues that are not user generated errors.
I would:
1) Return the Nokia
2) Order a better(?) device
3) Try reading Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand for some balance. She does share your love for lengthy prose.
Carry on with your poll, I won't take up any more space.
The forums I've contributed to are for the most part a mere stepping stone to real-world meetings and events, so those people know me personally and I have helped them as I've tried to help in here with what I do know. The candor afforded by actual CONTACT with real people makes you appreciate even the least capable member. You can even have real fun with them, too. Maybe that is the difference here, people forget there's other real people out there who may not have the same technical background as we do. Or maybe you just don't associate with "those people." But at least they are curious enough to check it out with such helpful souls as yourself.
(you can pat yourself on the back now.)
EDIT: What a wonderful reading selection you have chosen for me! It looks interesting enough to write a review for
How did you know I could relate to that book? Mindreader!
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2008-01-07
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Just to add my 2 cents, none of the options seem appropriate to my experiences. I would vote something like "software is good but fix the repositories".
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2008-01-07
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Should Nokia take the ITOS more seriously?
I'll be another non-voter on this poll. The hardware's good. The software's good and keeps getting better, and I'm looking forward to future releases.
With any luck, those releases will include dopefish.
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2008-01-07
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OS2008 bugs and shortcomings will of course be shaken out. The timing of the release was asking for disaster IMO. Note that such a sentiment does not constitute a defense of any sort.
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