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2006-05-07
, 15:39
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OK,
My mistake was that I assumed that Google refers to the Privacy Ploicy also in US like they do at the European versions.
I would like to keep the discussion objectively and find comments lik "lol" and "hahaha" not realy helpful.
This discussion is not about me and my privacy but about our society build up their columns on the foundation of the internet.
That people want to have their accesses analysed is understandable. Giving for that egoistig reason, dates about other people , their behavior including their ip address to a third party is another thing.
That here it is Google a financial enterprise that dominates the internet makes it now, however, critically.
Seen technical, what happens here?
A user with the IP of 60.265.221.247 walks through the internet. His page calls are going centrally to Google. Together with other Accounts that the user has at Google (GMail, webmaster tools...) Google also has all relevant dates to this ip (like telephone, address...)
What do we know now?
Mr Meyer wrote yesterday at 10:00 three emails to Jimmy@comopany.com. The precise address and
personal dates and other stuff about Jimmy is also at the Gmailserver. The contents of the three emails are "....".
For the mails Mr Meyer copied the text from a word document, that he downloaded the day before yesterday (Thanks to Goole Desktopsearch the document is indexed already at the Google Server). After that
Mr Meyer paused 10 minutes and then he searched for the term "abc". After that he visitet the first three hit pages. There he has...
That is the state how it is at the moment. No bad intention, nothing illegal, no vision.
What means this, however, now politically, professionally or privately for us?
political:
How easy could political opponents be controlled if one accesses that.
The possibility is already today regularly given (US), even without judicial decision.
professional:
a) Herr Meyer is interested in one of our competitor companies?...
b) Frau Hofer books a luxury journey? We pay her presumably too much...
c) We want to fire Mr Klaus. Lets see if we find a blogenentry where he wrote something critically against our enterprise...
d) Herr Klein surfs on gaypages? Can we realy have a homo in our serious company?...
d) Frau Schmidt from the accounting visits in last time frequently baby pages? Could it be that she is pregnant? As long as she has not told us we are able to fire her...
private:
"The thoughts are free..."
Most internet users did not really know, that with every click, that they make it is not simply a thought they follow but a public statement. Evaluated, analyzes and controlled.
for google self:It is not a question of that primarily for me. I leave this free because Googles guiding principle is "Don't be evil" and "Don't be illegal"... (let us believe this for now ;-))
Interesting is that Google itself is kind of more complicated with his own privacy. That would be, however a own topic and I dont want to evaluate Google here in that case.
In case of data acquisition you can't make it undone.
For this reason we must be in fact very carefully and can't just try to see how it works.
I do not believe in conspiracy,
I believe in the right of self-determination and at that indifference and ignorance are dangerous.
Niko,
Europa
My mistake was that I assumed that Google refers to the Privacy Ploicy also in US like they do at the European versions.
I would like to keep the discussion objectively and find comments lik "lol" and "hahaha" not realy helpful.
This discussion is not about me and my privacy but about our society build up their columns on the foundation of the internet.
That people want to have their accesses analysed is understandable. Giving for that egoistig reason, dates about other people , their behavior including their ip address to a third party is another thing.
That here it is Google a financial enterprise that dominates the internet makes it now, however, critically.
Seen technical, what happens here?
A user with the IP of 60.265.221.247 walks through the internet. His page calls are going centrally to Google. Together with other Accounts that the user has at Google (GMail, webmaster tools...) Google also has all relevant dates to this ip (like telephone, address...)
What do we know now?
Mr Meyer wrote yesterday at 10:00 three emails to Jimmy@comopany.com. The precise address and
personal dates and other stuff about Jimmy is also at the Gmailserver. The contents of the three emails are "....".
For the mails Mr Meyer copied the text from a word document, that he downloaded the day before yesterday (Thanks to Goole Desktopsearch the document is indexed already at the Google Server). After that
Mr Meyer paused 10 minutes and then he searched for the term "abc". After that he visitet the first three hit pages. There he has...
That is the state how it is at the moment. No bad intention, nothing illegal, no vision.
What means this, however, now politically, professionally or privately for us?
political:
How easy could political opponents be controlled if one accesses that.
The possibility is already today regularly given (US), even without judicial decision.
professional:
a) Herr Meyer is interested in one of our competitor companies?...
b) Frau Hofer books a luxury journey? We pay her presumably too much...
c) We want to fire Mr Klaus. Lets see if we find a blogenentry where he wrote something critically against our enterprise...
d) Herr Klein surfs on gaypages? Can we realy have a homo in our serious company?...
d) Frau Schmidt from the accounting visits in last time frequently baby pages? Could it be that she is pregnant? As long as she has not told us we are able to fire her...
private:
"The thoughts are free..."
Most internet users did not really know, that with every click, that they make it is not simply a thought they follow but a public statement. Evaluated, analyzes and controlled.
for google self:It is not a question of that primarily for me. I leave this free because Googles guiding principle is "Don't be evil" and "Don't be illegal"... (let us believe this for now ;-))
Interesting is that Google itself is kind of more complicated with his own privacy. That would be, however a own topic and I dont want to evaluate Google here in that case.
In case of data acquisition you can't make it undone.
For this reason we must be in fact very carefully and can't just try to see how it works.
I do not believe in conspiracy,
I believe in the right of self-determination and at that indifference and ignorance are dangerous.
Niko,
Europa
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2006-05-07
, 17:02
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Joined on Apr 2006
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Originally Posted by niko
But is google keeping this information? Have they been asked. Didn't they refuse to turn docs over to the FTD called the US government already?
@kutibah
There is an enormous difference if you have
a) Millions of independent servers or
b) one company holding all this data
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2006-05-07
, 18:47
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#14
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@rattis
This shows how interesting the data is, isnt it?
Yes, they refused to turn over the Searchquestions.
This Time.
Btw, there is an other way to collect the data through the Patriot Act.
Without judicial resolution. Cause it is forbidden for the companys to talk about that if it happens we would never be informed about that.
And, laws could be changed too...
I dont wannt to say they will misuse this, but that all is a bit risky.
@admin
Maybe you should put this threat to offtopic, I don't want to hijack this great Forum.
This shows how interesting the data is, isnt it?
Yes, they refused to turn over the Searchquestions.
This Time.
Btw, there is an other way to collect the data through the Patriot Act.
Without judicial resolution. Cause it is forbidden for the companys to talk about that if it happens we would never be informed about that.
And, laws could be changed too...
I dont wannt to say they will misuse this, but that all is a bit risky.
@admin
Maybe you should put this threat to offtopic, I don't want to hijack this great Forum.
And in Europe it is in many cases punishable too.
btw, this is the UK-version
http://www.google.com/analytics/en-GB/tos.html