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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by gylman
IMHO I beg for difference. $ buy better stuff is NOT always true, within certain limits.
...So, sure, if you tinker with your video enough it becomes watchable without dropped frames and with acceptable sound. But all that time wasted, at 10$ per hour minimum wage = enough money to buy a better device after a few months.....
I do NOT know what I am saying here, but I said it anyway. Tough.
I have Hava. You paid to get TV into your tablet. The video resolution is alright. I got free TV round the world, (install from my signiture), 25 % of them has better audio/video resolution than the paid TV service! In particular, the CBS eveningnews (VCURLs72) and kissTV (extended stereo, WorldTV99 1.0), ALL CBC channels (99WorldTV 3.09, I will probably upload tomorrow. Yes, WorldTV99 just exploded from version 1.0 to 2, and now 3). Here, we are talking only video/audio quality. That being said, the paid Hava is a beta program, so there maybe improvement on the way. Dont get me wrong, the Hava is very watchable/enjoyable at its present status and I highly recommend for the Nokia community. I am saying that the video quality could be improved as it has NOT reached the hardware limitation as seen in the world TV.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by Aisu
No we wouldn't. Go back and educate yourself on the issues first.
Maemo doesn't have the bloody software to use the brilliant hardware. We could be in mobile graphics and video playback heaven if Nokia would pony up the dough for a driver.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
The issues? The issue is that we have great hardware we can't use. That's the issue.
No we wouldn't. Go back and educate yourself on the issues first.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by Aisu
The issues? The issue is that we have great hardware we can't use. That's the issue.
The hardware even with a driver can not drive the resolution of the NIT. That's why WM and iPhone don't try to go beyond 640x480. Not a lot of mobile hardware CPU, GPU support it. Nokia was pushing the envelope. Now TI's newer hardware has caught up with what Nokia brought to market with th 770 originally as far as resolution.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by Aisu
You seem to think that getting drivers will magically fix the video bandwidth issues. This is simply not the case.
The issues? The issue is that we have great hardware we can't use. That's the issue.
Nokia has been looking into the PowerVR, but that facts are that the drivers suck and they've found that it wouldn't be much help.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
No, I don't. Video bandwidth is has to do putting the images on the screen in front of me.
You seem to think that getting drivers will magically fix the video bandwidth issues. This is simply not the case.
Nokia has been looking into the PowerVR, but that facts are that the drivers suck and they've found that it wouldn't be much help.
It'd be nice to have the PowerVR to help render those images behind the scenes, so that even if we can't shove too many images through to the screen, we can still render 3D faster and more efficiently using the chip inside than any software.
Besides, it's of no importance that it may not be practical to implement. What's of importance is that I paid for it and that I can't use it, even if I simply want to tinker and brick my damnedable tablet in the process.
*Edit*
The drivers suck? That's an excuse from Nokia? Where?
Don't "..you pine for the days when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?"
Last edited by Aisu; 2008-06-23 at 04:34.
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2008-06-23
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Alright, let's break this down.
Offloading 3d rendering is a separate issue, and wont solve any of the video bandwidth issues affecting video playback performance.
Apparently there'll be a more official statement at OSiM later this year.
Originally Posted by Aisu
The discussion was about video playback, so based on that context it made sense to me that your comments were directed at video playback. Perhaps this was not the case.
No, I don't. Video bandwidth is has to do putting the images on the screen in front of me.
Offloading 3d rendering is a separate issue, and wont solve any of the video bandwidth issues affecting video playback performance.
Originally Posted by Aisu
You paid for nothing. Was it advertised on the box? Did Nokia ever tell you, "Hey, there's this PowerVR thing in here that we're not using. Muhahaha!" No, no such thing was ever pointed out to you except by the community. The fact that there happens to be a PowerVR on the SoC is strictly incidental. You did not pay for drivers, you did not pay for advertised 3d support.
Besides, it's of no importance that it may not be practical to implement. What's of importance is that I paid for it and that I can't use it, even if I simply want to tinker and brick my damnedable tablet in the process.
Originally Posted by Aisu
This is information coming from LinuxTag and it's not an "excuse", it's a fact, they didn't find the drivers to be up-to-snuff for consumer usage. That said, yes, I would still like to have these drivers to hack around with, but facts are facts.
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The drivers suck? That's an excuse from Nokia? Where?
Apparently there'll be a more official statement at OSiM later this year.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Stop arguing. Address the issues.
...The discussion was about video playback, so based on that context it made sense to me that your comments were directed at video playback. Perhaps this was not the case.
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Some TV channels are rendering way much better than the others, clearly supporting Aisu's point, we are NOT at the limit of our hardware, yet. Why dont you two take a peek of the channels I am talking about, see whether bun is full of it, or you do agree that these particular channels are quite above others.
Going back to GA. You are saying bandwidth is to be blame for poor video performance. Well, bandwidth certainly IS a determining factor. However, Garbage In, Garbage Out and one cannot make chicken salad from chicken $hit. So, to put pretty videos on the tablet, you need more than bandwidth.
Good nite, got to go to work at 6a in the mornin'..........
Have a good nite,
bun
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by bunanson
I have, many times in many places.
Stop arguing. Address the issues.
Originally Posted by bunanson
Garbage out indeed . . . what the hell are you rambling about?
<snip/>
Anyway, that's more than enough nonsensical crazy for me tonight.
/me out
Last edited by GeneralAntilles; 2008-06-23 at 05:35.
Maemo doesn't have the bloody software to use the brilliant hardware. We could be in mobile graphics and video playback heaven if Nokia would pony up the dough for a driver.
The experience could be so much better. But, alas, politics.