Mainly as Quim had suggested we put the info on the wiki, so I thought I'd specify where we'd put it to avoid lots of different pages springing up.

Anyway Nilch has put some ideas down, and I've added a section about the shortcomings of existing PIM apps (though I've only mentioned a few calendar apps). Those who have an opinion and who've used and found shortcomings with the existing apps please add some comments/extra apps/databases/whatever so we can get a handle of the status of the various projects, what needs to be improved, etc.

Thanks,

Simon

Please refer to my initial post:

1 vote/file specific requests.
2 go wiki for those proposals more conceptual/vague/exprimental.
3 get all the relevant links in that single wiki page.

*A lot* has been proposed and discussed already. Remembering and linking could save a lot of work specially covering the basics.

If you think it twice, there is no need to wait for anything to talk. It's not only about Nokia listening or not. Reminding Nokia about the functionality existing in Nseries (namely S60) is just the preliminary and pretty obvious step. Obviously Nokia knows that very well - no matter what has and hasn't been done in Maemo.

Like with the Fremantle Killer Apps, the exercise is as useful to Nokia as to the own community and 3rd party developers in seeing what are the great ideas and points of most interest. And the names abl to move them forward. Think visionary. Think Harmattan. Squeeze your brains showing that you are getting it so right.

Move away from the PIM word trap.

I added a bunch of stuff and then realized Nilch was a user's wishlist. Oops. Should I move my stuff around?

No, that's fine. Would it be worth expanding the existing apps part to give features they do support as well as features they don't support?

Yes! There may be some things that are definite keepers in some apps. For example, GPE's todo with a % complete is nice, and Pimlico's (and mCalendar's) biggie-size time buttons...

Ok, I've added Good/Bad sections for the various apps, please people get filling in even more. Thanks for starting off Nilch and BoxOfSnoo

Can i requst for:

1. Timer
2. Stop watch
3. World time

in this section?

This is really cooking now. Great to see everyone's input!

Would I offend many by saying that I hope these core solutions aren't going to be done in Python? it seems like Python apps are 1) great for ad-hoc applications 2) not very robust 3) a little more sluggish than good native code.

If I see another Python error dump when trying to manage my schedule I'm gonna do something terrible to the device, I'm sure.

This statement got me thinking - why do we always think of PIM as a mix of
1) Calendar component
2) AddressBook component
3) Todo Component

Why cant there be 1 app - which has all these functions built in and integrated as a single interface (with sections maybe to differentiate some aspects - particularly the GUI part).

I am just thinking about the functions (not GUI aspects) here.
A single app which shows events, contact, notes, reminders, and todo's and which all speak in the same language (data format) so that function one can inter-operate with the other seamlessly without those pesky import/export formats ...

Of course one major impediment to this thought of course is that the rest of the world already thinks (and designs) PIM as those separate components with their own data formats and protocols, so we have to support all those protocols for each of the functions I guess to interact with the rest of the world's PIM apps.

Just trying to jiggle my mind ... sorry if I am not getting anywhere with this.

I myself would like to see a component that functions as a e-mail reader that automaticly synks with any e-mail client, gmail for an example, and have it automaticly update whenever it gains acsess to a network and i would like it to be fairly simple to use (kinda like how the rss-feed reader is layed out) but with multiple useful features such as IM client and calender event tracking for keeping track of your on-line scedual and also a contacts manager.