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2009-05-06 , 00:52
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Originally Posted by volleydude View Post
If the hardware restriction is true then by two years from now our 800/810 browsing cabability will be seriously hamstrung as I'm sure many sites will have moved on to whatever the latest and greatest Flash version is.
Yes well, the iphone and ipod touch still don't have any flash. Besides, Nokia wants you to be using the next generation of internet tablets in 2 years time
 
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Originally Posted by volleydude View Post
If the hardware restriction is true then by two years from now our 800/810 browsing cabability will be seriously hamstrung as I'm sure many sites will have moved on to whatever the latest and greatest Flash version is.

... which is exactly why Flash is a bad thing: A proprietary technology with a huge market share controlled by a single vendor who thus gets to control what people can use to browse the web. Instead of clamoring for a Flash update, you should be clamoring for its demise. Nearly everything that Flash is used for can be done by a combination of the HTML 5 <video>, <audio> and <canvas> elements, SVG and advanced CSS features (animations, transforms, etc.) found in the latest versions of browser engines anyway.

The real shame is that Apple had a good shot at killing Flash by not including it with the iPhone and funding the development of alternatives in WebKit instead (WebKit being the KDE KHTML-derived browser engine powering the iPhone's browser, Android's browser, Nokia's S60 browser and the popular Maemo browser Tear), but then they caved and announced plans to support it after all recently.
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One of the best features of the IT is the quick disable of flash. Second best is disable java scripts - to remove google ads.
 
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Is there any way to hack flash or the browser on the tablet to make web sites think we have Flash 10? I'm pretty sure they're just being stupid and Flash 9 will work fine with all of them.
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Originally Posted by Sho View Post
Nearly everything that Flash is used for can be done by a combination of the HTML 5 <video>, <audio> and <canvas> elements, SVG and advanced CSS features (animations, transforms, etc.) found in the latest versions of browser engines anyway.
True, but have you ever used Flash CS4? It is super easy to make programs, animations, games, etc. Find me a tool that is as easy as flash that works with HTML, CSS, and SVG...

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Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
True, but have you ever used Flash CS4? It is super easy to make programs, animations, games, etc. Find me a tool that is as easy as flash that works with HTML, CSS, and SVG...
Haven't tried it, but I know CS3/CS4 introduced some newer flash-version autodetecting JavaScript when you use the default "flash media" HTML templates, so as odd as it sounds, try loading up your non-functional flash page with JavaScript turned off and see if the Flash loads properly. There is one other way to do Flash version detecting that I'm aware of, but it's ugly and a pain, so my bet is that all the sites you're running into are probably using JavaScript detection. If that solves the problem then maybe future browsers (Tear, etc) can have some option for user JavaScript over-rides so that whenever the detection function gets called we can just have a "return true" that over-rides it. Of course if the Flash actually uses some new features of the version 10 player then you're going to end up with all kinds of bad things happening, but...
 
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A proprietary technology with a huge market share controlled by a single vendor who thus gets to control what people can use to browse the web.
I would think that many of us, given that we are using Maemo or even more FOSS alternatives on at the very least our IT, can agree with this. However we-the collective we as in the market pretty much are in pretty deep with Adobe and their Flash tech.

However once anything has built up enough momentum your going to have to spend an equal if not greater time moving away from it. Just look, for example how slow the adoption of standards compliant browsers have been. Even with the fact that IE had a awful track record of being a huge virus infection vector it's only now that MS felt threatened enough to put some effort back into it now that FF has gained actual ground.

Hopefully as time goes on we will continue to move towards real open standards on data formats but it will take time.
 
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Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
True, but have you ever used Flash CS4? It is super easy to make programs, animations, games, etc. Find me a tool that is as easy as flash that works with HTML, CSS, and SVG...

I agree that good authoring tools are sadly a far less solved problem than the runtime part of the equation, yes. More work needs to be done in that area for sure. That said, I think a lot of advanced Flash developers (who end up writing copious amounts of ActionScript anyway) would do just fine with the standards-based stuff if they were incentivized to use it (as in the above "I need to use it to reach the iPhone" example ... which unfortunately won't be true for much longer when Apple does start supporting Flash).

Regarding the N810 situation, looking at gnash or swfdec might be worthwhile. I think both prefer OpenGL as rendering backends but also have software fallbacks.
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Some clever open source dude needs to write a Flash CS4 plugin that exports to HTML5.
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