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Originally Posted by Texrat
Good point. But, I'm not talking about "containing" data in any one form. Scattered or not, my ideas were not based around a requirement that we do anything (retrieve personal data, etc.). I'm talking about the device doing all of this. So, whether information is coming from your Facebook profile or your Flickr stream, or your Vimeo account, it doesn't really matter to you as an end-user.
I don't want MY data scattered. By that I mean the core stuff: name, address, etc. Even (especially) my contacts. Sure, some of my preferences can be scattered across the clouds, as it is now-- and it's a total maintenance nightmare. I absolutely hate having so many logins, user names, places to keep up with... grrr...
But let me back up a bit-- I don't mean it necessarily all has to be physically stored in a single location... just give me a management tool that let's me touch it in one place.
Now, if we're talking about forming a singular, cohesive profile, then you are probably right. But, I'm just talking about data sources that feed some sort of real-time search algorithm.
Still, I must admit that I absolutely hate all of the logins I have to keep track of (in fact, that's why most of mine are the same). But, even OpenID fails at standardizing this (currently). And, we will never see a reduction of Social services -- only an increase.
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Understood Tim... I was just expressing my thoughts on content management. If we want to pull in stuff that's useful, we need to manage and push out the right hooks.
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Right, and I was expressing my thoughts on content discovery. That's where we had the disconnect -- which wasn't really a disconnect, but, whatever... 
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2009-09-14
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It would also be nice to be able to write a wish-list for shopping. Like I would like to buy the Dynamite Warrior DVD but I want it for less than 10€. With this info my device could alert me if I pass a store that has the DVD for this price. Maybe it could even work so that if they see that I'm looking for it for 10€ and it's 12€ at the store, they could give me a personal discount and sell it for 10€.
The thing I worry most about content discovery is that it might become too intrusive. I fear that if I check any checkbox everyone will try to push their stuff for me. I only want to get content that I'm really interested in.
The thing I worry most about content discovery is that it might become too intrusive. I fear that if I check any checkbox everyone will try to push their stuff for me. I only want to get content that I'm really interested in.
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2009-09-15
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Tim,
Sounds like you were inspired by the Layar link with this one.So, without harping on augmented reality...
What if mobile devices had an internal "user profile" similar to those found on Social Network websites. (Of course, this info could just be retrieved from Social Network sites via the user entering various service logins, but it would work the same regardless.)
Anyway, the device then, based on keywords, favorite activities (hobbies, books, movies, etc.), could initiate content retrieval and display based on a persons proximity to various POIs. Likewise, a person could setup certain rules to where specific types of media would be tied to certain locations (think "Personal Soundtrack"). Also, based on media that was tagged by the user, notifications could be triggered when the person was in proximity to items/areas (POIs) that related to those tags.
This could also extend into manual searches that a person initiated on their device. What if Web searches could be tied to a persons location and specific profile keywords. Example: A person searches for pizza and the search results pulls up several places that are local to the persons physical location (no need to search with city if you have a GPS on hand), as well as pizza places that are near to soccer fields (since soccer is on the of the person's interests), as well as a couple of not-so-close pizza places inside of movie theaters (because the person has indicated that they like movies), and lastly, there is a nearby store that sells Italian cook books (because the person enjoys cooking). All of this would then be mapped out in conjuntion with the person's current location.
Lastly, everything needs to be in real-time. Why wait for the person to manually input anything when the device knows exactly where the person is. And, if the device also knows what the person likes, everything should just become available whenever and wherever appropriate.
Tim
very interesting cases indeed. If I'm reading you correctly, you see personal preferences and location as the key enablers for relevance. Are there any others you'd see as useful, like f. ex. time, current/coming calendar events, previously downloaded content etc.?
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Originally Posted by Naranek
I would guess that some retailers and/or brands would love the idea of users providing shopping wish-lists (essentially preference profiles), because this could enable very targeted product offerings. At best it might become a win-win situation (like the discount scenario you describe). But I agree that in the worst case the potential for intrusion & creepiness could be high.
It would also be nice to be able to write a wish-list for shopping. Like I would like to buy the Dynamite Warrior DVD but I want it for less than 10€. With this info my device could alert me if I pass a store that has the DVD for this price. Maybe it could even work so that if they see that I'm looking for it for 10€ and it's 12€ at the store, they could give me a personal discount and sell it for 10€.
The thing I worry most about content discovery is that it might become too intrusive. I fear that if I check any checkbox everyone will try to push their stuff for me. I only want to get content that I'm really interested in.
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2009-09-15
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
I can see the opportunity to exploit Google's WebFinger project here. Think of it as being like Gravatar, but not just for avatars - for profiles, openID, in fact every kind of information that should "just become available whenever and wherever appropriate".
...Lastly, everything needs to be in real-time. Why wait for the person to manually input anything when the device knows exactly where the person is. And, if the device also knows what the person likes, everything should just become available whenever and wherever appropriate.
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2009-09-15
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Originally Posted by Naranek
Read anything about "The Semantic Web"?
It would also be nice to be able to write a wish-list for shopping. Like I would like to buy the Dynamite Warrior DVD but I want it for less than 10€. With this info my device could alert me if I pass a store that has the DVD for this price. Maybe it could even work so that if they see that I'm looking for it for 10€ and it's 12€ at the store, they could give me a personal discount and sell it for 10€.
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2009-09-15
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Originally Posted by penyeach
Oh, of course there are... What about setting up "profiles" within the contacts app for everyone you know? (Of course, better yet, what if they were propagated by Facebook/other Social profiles, etc.?) Now, imagine walking around a shopping mall one day and you get a notification that it's your significant other's birthday tomorrow and it maps out all of the local record stores (one of your significant other's interests is music), especially the one that's 10 meters away in the shopping mall... Score!
Are there any others you'd see as useful, like f. ex. time, current/coming calendar events, previously downloaded content etc.?
Concerning "previously downloaded content," I sort of already touched on it a bit when speaking about "media" (e.g., photos taken, video shot, music listened to). This could definitely be translated to downloaded content. The only issue is retrieving some sort of standardized meta data from that content -- that is, unless the user took some time to tag each downloaded item (highly unlikely and definitely too much to ask of end-users).
Originally Posted by penyeach
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Last edited by timsamoff; 2009-09-15 at 15:48.
But let me back up a bit-- I don't mean it necessarily all has to be physically stored in a single location... just give me a management tool that let's me touch it in one place.
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