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N900 is not recognizable on any of my devices (windows 10,7, xp) What can I do? (1)
to Nokia N900 by nieldk - 4 days ago - more...
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Yawn. Seriously dude. What OS would use it? Linux? Moblin? Maemo?
If we're doing valid comparisons, then let's do valid comparisons.
All are scalable to from medium to smaller devices, not bigger devices like a desktop... a Netbook perhaps? OS X and Win7 won't run on ARM right now.
So pray tell... what should we compare it to while here at TMO, oh wise one? Huh?
Exactly.
Pineview may be barely under the power requirements for a mobile device, but overall battery life is still going to be terrible since Atoms aren't remotely close to being able to idle like ARM SoCs. ARM is still kicking Intel's *** in the mobile space and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by gerbick
That is *exactly* the point. Imagine that suddenly a range of netbooks appear, that have significantly better battery life, are faster AND cheaper than ones running Windows. With these there are no return rate manipulation, no 'is better with windows', no nothing. Microsoft should be really scared if ARM's initiative takes off as this is a segment it cannot compete in (none of the drastic measures they used to fight their way back to netbook space is available with an ARM in the arena - except for bribery and blackmail
Yawn. Seriously dude. What OS would use it? Linux? Moblin? Maemo?
All are scalable to from medium to smaller devices, not bigger devices like a desktop... a Netbook perhaps? OS X and Win7 won't run on ARM right now.
). This in turn might provide an additional impetus for further developing/improving Linux and other alternative OSes for end users.
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2009-09-17
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I would get excited... but since MIDS, UMPC's have given way to the netbook or smartphone, my expectations is that things aren't dependent on the chip nor OS fanaticism.
To be realistic, something blockbuster OS and software-wise is required to gather interest. And niche markets do not blossom unless they're shifted upstream from niche to something else.
Case in point... Maemo from NIT to smartphone.
To be realistic, something blockbuster OS and software-wise is required to gather interest. And niche markets do not blossom unless they're shifted upstream from niche to something else.
Case in point... Maemo from NIT to smartphone.
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Oh, have they? Be prepared for a "mobile computer" explosion over the next 5 years. We're going to start to see laptops being replaced by these devices en-masse.
I would get excited... but since MIDS, UMPC's have given way to the netbook or smartphone, my expectations is that things aren't dependent on the chip nor OS fanaticism.
Shortsighted.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Yeah, no, the N900 is certainly not a smartphone.
Case in point... Maemo from NIT to smartphone.
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Which is it?
Oh, have they? Be prepared for a "mobile computer" explosion over the next 5 years. We're going to start to see laptops being replaced by these devices en-masse.
You're quick to overlook the Samsung that's coming in 2011 [ view here ]. So 5 years would be well within your timeline.
So which is it? "Mobile computers" in 5 years, or impatience for stuff like the Samsung by this very same board?
Shortsighted.
Yeah, no, the N900 is certainly not a smartphone.
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Reported.
OK, troll, you win.
Seriously dude. You're always quick to go personal when I'm just discussing with a different viewpoint than yours.
And you represent this forum as a moderator? Learn how to be civil.
I'll follow up with other reports of your past posts. Especially when all I'm doing is opposing your point of view and I have to expect that you'll label me - or others - as a troll?
Thanks for encouraging discussion.
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by attila77
In continuation - I guess my confusion is how this site was really against Android on netbook sized devices. Almost like it didn't make sense.
That is *exactly* the point. Imagine that suddenly a range of netbooks appear, that have significantly better battery life, are faster AND cheaper than ones running Windows. With these there are no return rate manipulation, no 'is better with windows', no nothing. Microsoft should be really scared if ARM's initiative takes off as this is a segment it cannot compete in (none of the drastic measures they used to fight their way back to netbook space is available with an ARM in the arena - except for bribery and blackmail
But do you really think that Maemo would scale up to a netbook sized device and be compelling enough to get people away from other OS netbooks based on... price alone?
I have to state that despite having a killer CPU, software needs to be there too. And software that is full function, not partially. For instance... I love RTComm, but I don't like the fact that it doesn't do video yet.
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2009-09-18
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Originally Posted by gerbick
We're still not hearing each other. If there will be a Maemo device with the Osprey, it will be the 0.5W handheld one that is on par in raw power with current netbooks (!)
In continuation - I guess my confusion is how this site was really against Android on netbook sized devices. Almost like it didn't make sense.
But do you really think that Maemo would scale up to a netbook sized device and be compelling enough to get people away from other OS netbooks based on... price alone?
For netbooks (whatever alternative OS they run, whether it's Android, Ubuntu remix, ChromeOS, a variant of Maemo, etc) - pinetrail is certainly not going to instantly triple Atom performance, so if the ARM benchmarks and power figures are correct, pinetrail loses out in ALL aspects - price, performance and battery life. Thus your windows netbooks will have more expensive hardware, lower performance, worse battery life and the extra burden of a windows license cost. Just might be enough to make Joe Average think that maybe, just maybe, this time it's worth going the other way.
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A 2.0GHz Cortex A9 isn't intended for use in a mobile device like a smartphone or tablet and nor is the N270. Both of these designs are intended for netbooks or larger-sized tablets which have much larger batteries than 1500mAh.
Pineview may be barely under the power requirements for a mobile device, but overall battery life is still going to be terrible since Atoms aren't remotely close to being able to idle like ARM SoCs. ARM is still kicking Intel's *** in the mobile space and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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