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2009-10-28
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Originally Posted by olighak
But I'm sure you agree that the best pricing model is free, right?
No see that´s the beauty of the Nokia charging model. You can download whichever map you want, and upload them as often as you want but only pay for a period of navigation when you need it. If after a week you learn your way from your hotel to your client you don´t need to pay for more navigation but you still have the maps for any other use.
If you went over to the model described above you´d be like Garmin and TomTom and that would incurriage you not to update your maps frequently. With Nokia´s model you´re more inclined to always be up do date since you don´t pay for the maps themselves.
If you just need New Brunswick for a month, you can pay for that $15, Puerto Rico for a week you can pay for that $8. You don´t have to pay $30 for each map.
I really love Nokia´s pricing model and would wish more providers came over to it.
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2009-10-28
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Originally Posted by olighak
At the moment, Google Maps on Mobile doesn't show any ads. I'm sure that might change at some point, but I doubt that Google will ever take up huge amounts of mobile screen space with their apps.
No, I´m not sure about that. I do like the maps to be updated and I do realize that somebody will have to fund that. And I don´t want advertisements to take up space on my device screen, instead of it showing me the map.
Originally Posted by olighak
This isn't the Google Maps experience -- far from it. Google's app is one of the best on the market, with no ads.
In just the same way I´d rather pay a little more for my TV and get rid of the crap ads that show up every 10 minutes here in the US, instead of watching Shampoo/Snuggie/Gold commercials.
I still think Google's announcement today makes Ovi Maps paid turn-by-turn nav a tough sell in the US, at least. The main N900 competitors here (Android and iPhone) will both have something for free that Nokia wants to charge for.
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2009-10-28
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Interesting article explaining the ramifications of Google's move:
http://gizmodo.com/5391966/google-an...-power-of-data
I own a Garmin GPS and was looking forward to handing that off to my wife when my N900 is delivered. I use it heavily. I am new to Nokia and so I am a bit surprised by this thread. I thought that Ovi Maps had navigation included for free. If I am going to have to pay a monthly fee for the use of navigation forget it. I'll keep my Garmin GPS with nice turn by turn voice navigation in several different languages and accents. Thanks.
http://gizmodo.com/5391966/google-an...-power-of-data
I own a Garmin GPS and was looking forward to handing that off to my wife when my N900 is delivered. I use it heavily. I am new to Nokia and so I am a bit surprised by this thread. I thought that Ovi Maps had navigation included for free. If I am going to have to pay a monthly fee for the use of navigation forget it. I'll keep my Garmin GPS with nice turn by turn voice navigation in several different languages and accents. Thanks.
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2009-10-28
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Originally Posted by TA-t3
Not so much, actually - at the summit, my internet use cost me £5 per day (25M, with additional 25M blocks for £5). Even using maps, I never went over 20M.
As for Europe, you certainly don't want to download maps through the cellphone connection, unless you're driving in your own country - the roaming data prices are still insane.
/me thinks my good old TomTom navigator will do the job better
That's on Vodafone UK of course. I guess it'd be similar for others on vodafone's unlimited plans at least.
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2009-10-28
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Originally Posted by ccooke
You don´t consider GBP 5 per day to be insane? 150 GBP per month or 250 USD? I do consider that quite insane for internet access.
Not so much, actually - at the summit, my internet use cost me £5 per day (25M, with additional 25M blocks for £5). Even using maps, I never went over 20M.
That's on Vodafone UK of course. I guess it'd be similar for others on vodafone's unlimited plans at least.
And 25M is not a whole lot of data in itself.
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2009-10-28
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Originally Posted by olighak
For maps? How much does it download then? For real, I don't know. Does anybody? This poster seemed to say that he didn't use over 20 megs even with maps. That doesn't sound bad at all. What about with only maps, no other data use but only using it for navigation a few times a day, when you actually go someplace?
You don´t consider GBP 5 per day to be insane? 150 GBP per month or 250 USD? I do consider that quite insane for internet access.
And 25M is not a whole lot of data in itself.
Sure, browsing etc. can destroy your bank account if you're data roaming, I think the cost was even higher for me when I checked data roaming prices some time ago for a trip to Sweden (I think it was euro-fifty per meg or something ridiculous), but how much data does Google Maps download if you're using it? If all you're using data for is navigation, it might not be that much. Not everybody drives around Europe crossing country borders all the time...for an occasional traveller, travelling once or twice a year like that, the data for using maps might be a good deal compared to buying some ridiculously expensive license that you have to renew every X years. At least your maps would always be up-to-date.
I think today's stock rate of Garmin and TomTom show that selling maps won't be such a great business anymore. Sure, some people will still need to buy maps/dedicated devices with saved maps, but the people using navigation in their own area greatly outnumber the ones who are data roaming constantly, and currently a lot of people using navigation in their home areas ARE paying for maps. I don't think a lot of them will be in five years.
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2009-10-28
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I have the OVI SDK and OVI maps ain't pretty. It made me wondered if Nokia really "got" this whole "internet" thing all you kids are going on about. 
One thing is for certain though; I have used Maemo Mapper and a real time traffic layer on my N800 and now N810 every day now for almost 2 years and have become quite used to it.
In fact, it is safe to say I rely on it in my day to day..
If M/M wasn't coming to the N900 I was hoping I could get something cobbled together using OVI... not an easy task. And not to responsive when it runs either.
With Googles API's, in about 20 minutes I was able to whip up a locally stored web page that will at least give me an overview of my area until something better comes along or I get motivated.
...and bonus! Google didn't make me register and wait for approval before working with it either.
One thing is for certain though; I have used Maemo Mapper and a real time traffic layer on my N800 and now N810 every day now for almost 2 years and have become quite used to it.
In fact, it is safe to say I rely on it in my day to day..
If M/M wasn't coming to the N900 I was hoping I could get something cobbled together using OVI... not an easy task. And not to responsive when it runs either.
With Googles API's, in about 20 minutes I was able to whip up a locally stored web page that will at least give me an overview of my area until something better comes along or I get motivated.
...and bonus! Google didn't make me register and wait for approval before working with it either.
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2009-10-29
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even the service on other phones suck, well here in the US. Local businesses can't be found, adding an address in a pain in the a**, I bet the new Google Maps navigation guidance is far better than Nokia's. they just try too hard to put features on Nokia Maps that it fails miserably.
I installed Garmin on my E71 and it includes Google local search, gas prices and more services, crossing fingers for a N900 version.
I installed Garmin on my E71 and it includes Google local search, gas prices and more services, crossing fingers for a N900 version.
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2009-10-29
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Quoting a comment:
He has more comments there that should be read.
Now that Forbes has broken the story that google is developing a free turn by turn navi app think about how this changes the valuation. So google will provide a turn by turn navi app, you sign up for the service. You also use g-mail, google is your search page and you use google checkout… a typical user. You want to go from your home to a new restaurant. Google is going to have you "pay" for the "free" navigation app with ads, and you will say "so what"! This is where the do no evil comes into play.
So you're going from home to the restaurant. Google's app is going to calculate the route. The app calculates that you can go down either Elm street or Maple street. Google has 1 client on Elm street and 5 clients on Maple street, which way will the app send you? This form user manipulation is very simple. Next step for google is that they tie your route into your recent searches. If you have been searching for UGG boots on the web the app will calculate that it is better for you to go down Elm street since googles client on ELM is a shoe shop that sells UGG's. The next step is that navigation is tied into your g-mail account. google knows that you bought a coffee maker from Amazon for $79.00 with shipping. On Maple street one of the clients is Bed, Bath & Beyond. As you are a mile away an ad with a coupon for 20% off pops up for that same coffee maker netting the price to $63.75 including tax – and now you see what integrated marketing can deliver. This is the holy grail of marketing and a valuation has not even been fathomed for this type of platform by the financial community.
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Also, I agree that the CDMA/GSM split in the US is a huge mess.