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Originally Posted by rapante
At no point did I say "they look ugly wtf".
still don't really get your point.
most of those apps are done by non industry professionals you have nearly no experience with user interface guidelines and/or proper execution of those guidelines.
instead of make a "why are you so ugly thread" you should contact the respective developer and offer your help in a friendly manner.
just saying "they look ugly wft?!" won't help any of us
don't get me wrong, there are a lot of third party apps that have the issues you have mentioned (I wasn't sure in the beginning if you're just talking baout the third party stuff available here at maemo.org or all apps including the native apps) but the way you are pointing fingers at people just won't help any of those developers here at maemo.
so if you really want to help, talk to them, offer your help, but don't go pointing fingers out in the public without really offering an insight why you think there is room for improvement
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no you are not the only one concerned about the design of various apps
but then again you should just think about how to best start a discussion without pissing people off... just give it a thought - that could be a lot more productive...
I'd be pissed as a programmer to be told that what I am doing in my spare times looks like a pile of **** (which you essentially did)
just my 2 cents
but then again you should just think about how to best start a discussion without pissing people off... just give it a thought - that could be a lot more productive...
I'd be pissed as a programmer to be told that what I am doing in my spare times looks like a pile of **** (which you essentially did)
just my 2 cents
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The problem here is that there are two ways to create a user interface: low and high level (sorry, if obvious).
Both have cons and prons (nice look&feel versus familiar&consistent UI).
On Maemo, there is a strong emphasis on high level UI, using either GTK or QT. So developers are in fact not encourage to use custom button shapes, sliders or other fancy, self made things. A similar situation is with iPhone, where we have guidelines about distance of a button from the screen edge, so all the applications give the same experience.
A totally different thing is the right UI design from the elements. We can use standard buttons and text fields, but smartly. Good spacing, well organized screen, interlines etc. Just not to confuse ergonomics issues with general look thing.
Both have cons and prons (nice look&feel versus familiar&consistent UI).
On Maemo, there is a strong emphasis on high level UI, using either GTK or QT. So developers are in fact not encourage to use custom button shapes, sliders or other fancy, self made things. A similar situation is with iPhone, where we have guidelines about distance of a button from the screen edge, so all the applications give the same experience.
A totally different thing is the right UI design from the elements. We can use standard buttons and text fields, but smartly. Good spacing, well organized screen, interlines etc. Just not to confuse ergonomics issues with general look thing.
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Originally Posted by joshua.maverick
I don't know how it is with all of the apps but some its not a matter of needing bling with gradient backgrounds and non-stock icons everywhere but a polished look.
example 1:
http://danielwould.wordpress.com/witter/
Does the plain look make Dialcentral / ejpi / Gonvert / quicknote ugly?
witter I can understand. A good mix of stock and non-stock icons plus something like chat buubles for each tweet (with possibly distinguishing colored backgrounds like some of those mac chat apps) would help in conveying information.
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Originally Posted by joshua.maverick
Your contributions are appreciated Joshua but I have to agree with rapante on this one.
lol, mr.lecturer, I'm trying to make a point that all these apps need help, and I have been contacting and helping out.
I'm trying to see if maybe just my opinion is skewed or if others also believe that most of these apps coming out are kind of ugly. I've tried to get more interest in design going. But I feel like I'm one of a minortiy who think good design is important.
It's helpful to be specific on this subject. I started off thinking you were talking about apps packaged with the device. Now that you've provided a third-party app as an example of your complaint, I also believe it's best to approach this case-by-case and point the developers toward good UI design practices.
And no reason for any ruffled feathers here, guys. Let's keep it objective.
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Originally Posted by joshua.maverick
no you didn't Mr. nitpicky, that was my attempt to explain to you how some of the developers might think about the way you started this discussion
At no point did I say "they look ugly wtf".
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Originally Posted by Texrat
My apologies then, I guess I was just frustrated. I've tried to help out, but it rarely goes anywhere. I'm not the best designer by any means, but there has to be some way to "force" 3rd party app developers to make their apps prettier.
Your contributions are appreciated Joshua but I have to agree with rapante on this one.
It's helpful to be specific on this subject. I started off thinking you were talking about apps packaged with the device. Now that you've provided a third-party app as an example of your complaint, I also believe it's best to approach this case-by-case and point the developers toward good UI design practices.
And no reason for any ruffled feathers here, guys. Let's keep it objective.
My two cents.
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Originally Posted by rapante
Mr. Lecturer,
no you didn't Mr. nitpicky, that was my attempt to explain to you how some of the developers might think about the way you started this discussion
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Originally Posted by joshua.maverick
A means of strongly encouraging good UI practice would be nice.
My apologies then, I guess I was just frustrated. I've tried to help out, but it rarely goes anywhere. I'm not the best designer by any means, but there has to be some way to "force" 3rd party app developers to make their apps prettier.
My two cents.
So... you have a problem here. Why not post in Brainstorm and see if solutions come up?
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