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Originally Posted by Fargus
True, but have you heard of a case in the US/UK of an emulator with legality issues. (the actual emulator software)
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Originally Posted by Fargus
There is a difference between The Law, and legislative acts of fiat, btw:
Would you care to document that rather wide reaching statement? If intellectual property has been compromised then there is an issue in several jurasdictions around the world. The point comes down to the fact that this needs to be clarified in each & ever jurasdiction worldwide.
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by chrisp7
Bleem! ring any bells? ooh and Dr SS (ongoing). The point I was trying to make is that lack of successfull litigation doe not make something legall Please be more responsible in your posts.
True, but have you heard of a case in the US/UK of an emulator with legality issues. (the actual emulator software)
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by Fargus
My point - conversely the lack of successful litigation means the software isnt illegal.
Bleem! ring any bells? ooh and Dr SS (ongoing). The point I was trying to make is that lack of successfull litigation doe not make something legall Please be more responsible in your posts.
At any rate Im not sure what relevance this has to the point in hand.
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imagine you bought a car, lets say a porsche.
it is illegal to take the engine an put it into a fiat 500??
no it's not illegal, because you paid your porsche.
but it is illegal to take the porsche parts (roms) without paying, or building a car (emulator) with parts you've not paid..
it is illegal to take the engine an put it into a fiat 500??
no it's not illegal, because you paid your porsche.
but it is illegal to take the porsche parts (roms) without paying, or building a car (emulator) with parts you've not paid..
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
I think you will find I mentioned the world outside of the USA. Legal systems around the world are not running on a single model.
There is a difference between The Law, and legislative acts of fiat, btw:
http://phreadom.blogspot.com/2008/05...s-fiction.html
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
It would depend on the articals of sale. You may not like it but there are places where this type or restriction is legal. I didn't say I thought it was sensible just that it happens.
imagine you bought a car, lets say a porsche.
it is illegal to take the engine an put it into a fiat 500??
no it's not illegal, because you paid your porsche.
but it is illegal to take the porsche parts (roms) without paying, or building a car (emulator) with parts you've not paid..
Regardless of that this post doesn't work. If you write an emmulator there is a requirement to either reverse engineeroperating system or have privileged information. That is usually also copyrighted and often reverse engineering is strictly forbidden on the terms of use (it's software again)
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by Fargus
Reverse engineering is legal - reverse engineering a console is entirely legal. Copying the manufacuters IP is illegal, so should be avoided.
Would you care to document that rather wide reaching statement? If intellectual property has been compromised then there is an issue in several jurasdictions around the world. The point comes down to the fact that this needs to be clarified in each & ever jurasdiction worldwide.
Dumping the contents of your own cartridges falls under "Fair Use" terms, at least in the US and UK.
Downloading images from the internet is obviously illegal, I'd even say it's illegal if you own the physical cartridge, but that might be a grey area.
Nintendo have long used scare tactics to restrict emulator development, they threatened to sue the developers of N64 emulator UltraHLE but never followed through with their (empty) threat. I can understand why Nokia have withdrawn the N900 Nintendo emulators, but don't think Nintendo have a leg to stand on.
Back on topic: Hasn't this iPhone/N64 emulator been shown to be a hoax? I can't see the videos as youtube is blocked at work but I've read the kid is playing a video of an N64 game (playing on a real N64) on his iPhone and just moving his hands to match the onscreen movement.
The Mupen64/Mupen64Plus N64 emulators only support x86 right now - no ARM support.
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2010-01-04
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Well, it wouldn't be allowed in the Extras* repo, legal or not, until Nokia verifies that it is "legal enough" to not draw another or additional points in the ongoing lawsuit from Nintendo. I suspect that function to be infinite.
Legality isn't even the issue these days so much as how much litigious risk is one willing to take, and the bigger the fish, the more appealing target it makes. Nokia should probably maintain a fairly low threshold so that they don't have to waste resources dealing with niches when they have their own bigger fish and fruits (Apple) to fry--which is what they did by taking Nintendo emus out of the official maemo repos.
So anyone is free to port the emu, but they would do so knowing it would have to live in a third-party repo.
Legality isn't even the issue these days so much as how much litigious risk is one willing to take, and the bigger the fish, the more appealing target it makes. Nokia should probably maintain a fairly low threshold so that they don't have to waste resources dealing with niches when they have their own bigger fish and fruits (Apple) to fry--which is what they did by taking Nintendo emus out of the official maemo repos.
So anyone is free to port the emu, but they would do so knowing it would have to live in a third-party repo.
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Classic example of arbitrary Nokia decision making. Couldn't just fallback to the no brainer of tagging with lat/lon if network isn't accessible, could you Nokia?
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2010-01-04
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
You might like to check your UK contract law on that position if explicit provision is given in terms of sale. Point was also that there is a world outside of the UK/US. Will leave the thread to continue though as the point was to ask for less wild acqusations.
Reverse engineering is legal - reverse engineering a console is entirely legal. Copying the manufacuters IP is illegal, so should be avoided.
Dumping the contents of your own cartridges falls under "Fair Use" terms, at least in the US and UK.
Downloading images from the internet is obviously illegal, I'd even say it's illegal if you own the physical cartridge, but that might be a grey area.
Nintendo have long used scare tactics to restrict emulator development, they threatened to sue the developers of N64 emulator UltraHLE but never followed through with their (empty) threat. I can understand why Nokia have withdrawn the N900 Nintendo emulators, but don't think Nintendo have a leg to stand on.
Back on topic: Hasn't this iPhone/N64 emulator been shown to be a hoax? I can't see the videos as youtube is blocked at work but I've read the kid is playing a video of an N64 game (playing on a real N64) on his iPhone and just moving his hands to match the onscreen movement.
The Mupen64/Mupen64Plus N64 emulators only support x86 right now - no ARM support.