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2010-02-22
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2010-02-22
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Originally Posted by zwer
Ok Mr. advocate, you defeated me.
If you think that the Maemo team is too slow to implement & fix, as you call them, basic features, I assume you'd be able to do that in no time, right? I'm quite confident that your expertise on the subject would be very much appreciated, so do not hesitate to contact the Maemo team and explain them how should they do their work. And while you are at it, please give them thousands of testers that will work 24/7, week in, week out so that stable firmware updates could be pushed every week instead of every couple of weeks (which, btw, no other competitor does) and there will be no `firmware latencies`.
I'd like to thank you upfront for your input and great contribution to Maemo platform in the name of all Maemo users. Thank you!
Since developers are not aware of other platforms and lack of sufficient know-hows and for instance implementing ussd needs too much testers and too much time we cant use it now.
Let's hope Nokia may have enough budget for these ussd 24/7 testers.
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2010-02-22
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It's obvious people come from different viewpoints. Some people just want a linux toy and don't really care that basic stuff we take for granted doesn't work, which I guess is fine. But that's not how the device is marketed. As a consumer I expect certain things from a multi billion dollar company, for one I expect advertised features to work.
"If it's so basic why don't you do it yourself?" sort of arguments are really hard to take serious. Just as when I buy a MP3 player I expect that I don't have to code the firmware myself, I expect a mobile telephone in the year 2010 to have USSD support out of the box, for example. I expect the camera to don't drop frames. I expect bluetooth headsets to work on a bluetooth enabled device, even while connected over wifi etc etc.
My largest gripe however is that we're stuck with an OS in beta which has already been discontinued. We're not guaranteed all these issues will ever be fixed, because I'm rather certain Maemo 5 will never be completed now that the OS line has been discontinued. The only reason for why Maemo 5 is still on life support is due to the PR disaster it would be to officially abandon it. There's simply no long term value to be built from dedicating development resources to Maemo 5 any longer.
"If it's so basic why don't you do it yourself?" sort of arguments are really hard to take serious. Just as when I buy a MP3 player I expect that I don't have to code the firmware myself, I expect a mobile telephone in the year 2010 to have USSD support out of the box, for example. I expect the camera to don't drop frames. I expect bluetooth headsets to work on a bluetooth enabled device, even while connected over wifi etc etc.
My largest gripe however is that we're stuck with an OS in beta which has already been discontinued. We're not guaranteed all these issues will ever be fixed, because I'm rather certain Maemo 5 will never be completed now that the OS line has been discontinued. The only reason for why Maemo 5 is still on life support is due to the PR disaster it would be to officially abandon it. There's simply no long term value to be built from dedicating development resources to Maemo 5 any longer.
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2010-02-22
, 18:50
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When the N900 was introduced in 2009, Nokia representatives kept repeating that it was meant for a very special segment of the market and that people who wanted a "smartphone" (whatever that is) should get an N97 or some other S60 device. They were very clear about that and they knew why.
What we see now is people who just aren't the target group complaining about missing features that the target group wouldn't even notice. So what? It was designed for people who never knew their previous phone could send *-something-# codes, anyway. For people who use facebook instead of MMS. They love it.
(Just to make one thing clear: I'm not in the target group myself. I knew I wasn't before I bought it, but I never intended to use it as a phone. So I'm not complaining. Much.)
What we see now is people who just aren't the target group complaining about missing features that the target group wouldn't even notice. So what? It was designed for people who never knew their previous phone could send *-something-# codes, anyway. For people who use facebook instead of MMS. They love it.
(Just to make one thing clear: I'm not in the target group myself. I knew I wasn't before I bought it, but I never intended to use it as a phone. So I'm not complaining. Much.)
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2010-02-22
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One problem with saying that basic features are missing is that different people have different views of what is basic. Heavy users of text messaging might say MMS is basic, but I couldn't care less about that. Hackers think that XTerm is basic. 
Originally Posted by nitetac
I don't completely understand what you've written here, but I would suggest that you search the bug reports &, if you don't find anything, write it up. Or search forum threads for a workaround. That's how this forum works, as far as I can tell. No one here wants to read rants & they don't accomplish anything that I can see.
i cant dial ussd code to check my credit balance (without digging AT commands)
Originally Posted by nitetac
Same answer. There isn't a third-party app for this?
i cant make video call although there is a front cam" he will smile of course.
Originally Posted by nitetac
You mean how frequently it is updated? Wasn't there an update last week?
FIRMWARE LATENCIES.
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* n810 since Feb 2009
* Most-used apps: Opera, gPodder, Panucci, Tomiku, Canola, Quasar, MaemoMapper, ATI85, Maemopad+, AisleRiot Solitaire, Anagramarama, Rapier, Gnumeric, pyRDesktop
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2010-02-22
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The problem for me is that I bought the device partly based on my expectations on Maemo 5 ( I was under the impression that it was a lot more mature than it actually is ), and the hardware. The hardware is a perfect fit for me, I want resistive & wasd, sadly I feel the N900 will be the last to have this setup as Nokia is seemingly jumping on the capacitive bandwagon ( and I wouldn't be surprised if they drop physical keyboard in the future as well, seeing as every phone manufacturer atm seems to have a inferiority complex with the iPhone ).
I see root access as a great bonus, not as an excuse to provide a poor official OS ( a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that this doesn't matter since we technicaly can install whatever we want, allthough I'm of the opinion that trouble and poor support lies down that route ).
Of course it's a godsent from Nokias pov. They don't need to provide expensive customer support, that seems to be expected to be done by the community for free ( I do think the community is doing a great job on this front even though I do think Nokia should have representetives and official support as well, which judging by posts on the forum seems poor at best ). If one follows Ari Jaaksi's blog it also becomes pretty obvious, I think, what Nokias strategy is for the N900. They want the community to port AND support MeeGo for the N900 once it arrives. Which of course once again is rather convinient for Nokia. An army of developers which seemingly doesn't care about having to target & support a wealth of different OSs, and port, maintain as well as support Nokias different OS experiments.
Luckly I'm not that interested in an app store ( which for Maemo 5 at least we now know is pretty much dead before it even started ).
I see root access as a great bonus, not as an excuse to provide a poor official OS ( a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that this doesn't matter since we technicaly can install whatever we want, allthough I'm of the opinion that trouble and poor support lies down that route ).
Of course it's a godsent from Nokias pov. They don't need to provide expensive customer support, that seems to be expected to be done by the community for free ( I do think the community is doing a great job on this front even though I do think Nokia should have representetives and official support as well, which judging by posts on the forum seems poor at best ). If one follows Ari Jaaksi's blog it also becomes pretty obvious, I think, what Nokias strategy is for the N900. They want the community to port AND support MeeGo for the N900 once it arrives. Which of course once again is rather convinient for Nokia. An army of developers which seemingly doesn't care about having to target & support a wealth of different OSs, and port, maintain as well as support Nokias different OS experiments.
Luckly I'm not that interested in an app store ( which for Maemo 5 at least we now know is pretty much dead before it even started ).
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2010-02-23
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@ Poole, UK
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I think that considering the device was advertised quite heavily as an Internet Tablet with 'Phone' functionality, it does the job very well.
USSD requirement is not really a basic feature, it is a niche feature that old technology, thinks like balance checks are pretty much available from a web page on the network these days........but, I think there is an app for this if you want it
MMS, again, so many people are using e-mail on their phone, MMS is starting to go out of fashion, so why add the functionality if it isn't likely to be used.......I do however understand that many people don't have e-mail on their phones, so we need mms to communicate with them......and again, an app is available
Video Calling, this is another feature that is not widely used by the majority........same response as before really, check the apps, I'm pretty certain there is one, or one coming.
I think that what Nokia have done is quite clever, they have a basic phone that doesn't have resources being taken up by features that are needed or used by the majority of the market. They are giving the chance for the community to contribute to these items based upon demand from places like this forum.
I agree that the device may not be there for the standard user quite yet......but it was never marketed for that user, there are so many things it is capable of doing that any other 'smartphones' could never dream of doing.
With regards to MeeGo, none of us really know what is going to happen there yet, it is early days, peopls shouldn't panic about it, I don't think Nokia will let us down, and they will continue to make some of the most reliable phones available.
USSD requirement is not really a basic feature, it is a niche feature that old technology, thinks like balance checks are pretty much available from a web page on the network these days........but, I think there is an app for this if you want it
MMS, again, so many people are using e-mail on their phone, MMS is starting to go out of fashion, so why add the functionality if it isn't likely to be used.......I do however understand that many people don't have e-mail on their phones, so we need mms to communicate with them......and again, an app is available
Video Calling, this is another feature that is not widely used by the majority........same response as before really, check the apps, I'm pretty certain there is one, or one coming.
I think that what Nokia have done is quite clever, they have a basic phone that doesn't have resources being taken up by features that are needed or used by the majority of the market. They are giving the chance for the community to contribute to these items based upon demand from places like this forum.
I agree that the device may not be there for the standard user quite yet......but it was never marketed for that user, there are so many things it is capable of doing that any other 'smartphones' could never dream of doing.
With regards to MeeGo, none of us really know what is going to happen there yet, it is early days, peopls shouldn't panic about it, I don't think Nokia will let us down, and they will continue to make some of the most reliable phones available.
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2010-02-23
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Back then, one of the problems was (and still is), that no S60 device had the hardware (processor, memory, etc) that the N900 has right now. I think the Satio had it, but since it was not a Nokia handset, people were reluctant about it... and rightly so.
When the N900 was introduced in 2009, Nokia representatives kept repeating that it was meant for a very special segment of the market and that people who wanted a "smartphone" (whatever that is) should get an N97 or some other S60 device. They were very clear about that and they knew why.
What we see now is people who just aren't the target group complaining about missing features that the target group wouldn't even notice. So what? It was designed for people who never knew their previous phone could send *-something-# codes, anyway. For people who use facebook instead of MMS. They love it.
(Just to make one thing clear: I'm not in the target group myself. I knew I wasn't before I bought it, but I never intended to use it as a phone. So I'm not complaining. Much.)
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2010-02-23
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Originally Posted by davidh101
I do believe that USSD is very important. The fact that I did not realize that it was not available until I arrived at Hong Kong back in late December. My whole vacation that was about a month and half was such an inconvenience because I couldn't do certain things on my prepaid sim card. This includes check my balance, recharging my balance, using cheaper idd service, making international call while I was roaming, and sending international sms. Heck, whenever I needed to actually add some money to my sim card, I had to literally find a retail store for them to do it for me because I did not had an extra phone on me. The worst part was when I was in Taiwan, I was there during that huge earth quake that they had. I was unable to call my family to tell them I was safe because I couldn't use USSD. That really scared my family for that week I was there.
USSD requirement is not really a basic feature, it is a niche feature that old technology, thinks like balance checks are pretty much available from a web page on the network these days........but, I think there is an app for this if you want it
Having internet on the N900 all the time is not a given. Also, not all sim card's balance can be checked on the net. Since a city like Hong Kong relies heavily on USSD, I don't conclude with you on the fact that USSD is a niche feature from old technology.
P.S. I totally did not realize that the N900 was missing USSD features until halfway through my vacation. I keep thinking that I was not following the instruction on the manual properly that came with my prepaid sim card......
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2010-02-23
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Originally Posted by sairon
I don't know of a single developer being forced into filling those gaps. Do you?
If one follows Ari Jaaksi's blog it also becomes pretty obvious, I think, what Nokias strategy is for the N900. They want the community to port AND support MeeGo for the N900 once it arrives. Which of course once again is rather convinient for Nokia. An army of developers which seemingly doesn't care about having to target & support a wealth of different OSs, and port, maintain as well as support Nokias different OS experiments.
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