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Originally Posted by Fargus
It has to do with the operating system. The virtual keyboard is a system wide application. it has to be able to input text in all applications. not just one or the other.
Actually this nothing to do with the operating system, it is perfectly agnostic to this, the item in question would be the phone application.
Originally Posted by Fargus
That is a selfesh argument. Just because you or whoever, does not need it. That does not mean others will feel the same.
Logic often has little to do with requests for features, it is a desire to satisfy a functional solution. In your situation the use case would be useful to you.
Originally Posted by Fargus
Please don't start these fancy word explanations. The moment you put in the n900, a stock phone and sms app, and included that information as a selling feature, in at least some of your ads You made people perceive it as a phone. That is not their fault. if you want it NOT to be called a phone AT ALL. you don't advertise the phone functionality AT ALL. you say it's a 3g tablet. similar to iPad.
The N900 is a 'talet like device' that is capable of making phone calls. Many laptops have the ability to utilise a sim card to make a cellular connection rather than plug in a usb cellular modem.
Originally Posted by Fargus
Yes. but Advanced, well made, Fax applications have been released on the PC making it in some instances even superior to an actual fax machine
Just because it can make calls doesn't make the device specifically a phone any more than the introduction of fax protocols on computers made them a fax machine.
Originally Posted by Fargus
You don't release a work in progress to mainstream users and make that an excuse for everything. the moment it went into a nokia shop. it became a consumer device. not developer.
The N900 is a work in progress and was billed as suitable for developers and early adopters. If you didn't realise that meant it wasn't a device that was 'appliance ready' then that would explain your disappointment.
Originally Posted by Fargus
If portrait mode texting was such an important requirement how come you didn't realise this when you played with the device before you bought it? (Surely you didn't just buy it sight unseen?) You are also free to impliment your own solution too.
I have made my peace with not having it a while ago. What i will never make peace with. Is people trying to selfeshly downplay other people who have a legitimate need for this and thus have a right to atleast ASK for it. without having been called ignorant.
And of course. the "You make it arguemnt". Really? Really? Since when does a customer have to "make" things?
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Originally Posted by IsaacDFP
Link me one of these laptops? I'm waiting.
This comes from the same guy that understands it will never be available? Btw, there are laptops that fit in one hand and in a jacket pocket, yes there are laptops using 3G chips AND can send txt msgs, just because yours doesn't, means that none do, I don't see the point. My point was that this is NOT a phone. It's an Internet Tablet *capable* of making calls. If you wanted to text vertically, maybe you should've got a cellphone. I don't care how many people whine about this lack of feature, those people represent the minority. The way I see it, the N900 was never meant to be able to send a quick txt msg. Perhaps you should save a couple of pre-written sms template, or wait until you can use both hands to type. If urgent then make a call instead.
Yes. you are not contrasting my point. We are in agreement. it is a "decision" that this "device was not meant to do...."
That does not permit you or anyone from saying that asking for it, is in excusable.
It's called Feedback.
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2010-03-28
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Originally Posted by Corso85
I don't know of anybody who's first impression of the N900 was a cellphone... Nokia specificly said it was an Internet Tablet, just like they said the N97 was a Mobile Computer (lol).
You made people perceive it as a phone. That is not their fault. if you want it NOT to be called a phone AT ALL. you don't advertise the phone functionality AT ALL.
You don't release a work in progress to mainstream users and make that an excuse for everything. the moment it went into a nokia shop. it became a consumer device. not developer.
And to this day, the N900 is still not widely released to mainstream users. If you shop at Nokia Shop, you are indeed an early adopter. Sadly, the vast majority of people still believe that what their carrier is carrying is the top notch, and they wait until their contract is ended so they can renew and "upgrade" to a new phone thru the carrier itself.
Originally Posted by Corso85
I understand. All i'm saying is it doesn't matter how much people ask for, it is futile, it will never happen, why even bother asking for it lol. I would like the next N910 to be dual-core with a fuel cell battery.
That does not permit you or anyone from saying that asking for it, is in excusable.
It's called Feedback.
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2010-03-28
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Originally Posted by IsaacDFP
Amazing, even with having to cope with no predictive text or portrait mode either. I guess struggling with this 'awful' hardware keyboard can't be that bad then!
hahaha Fargus, you beat me to the reply :P
Nice to see it's not just me that thought this was an obvious thing too then.
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2010-03-28
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Originally Posted by IsaacDFP
What propelled the N900 popularity was never Nokia. Nokia knows that heavily advertising for this device would confuse the average consumer. so it did not bother. probably why, i've seen only one poster so far in my entire city. probably would cause confusion? cause the average consumer links "Nokia" with "Phone".
I don't know of anybody who's first impression of the N900 was a cellphone... Nokia specificly said it was an Internet Tablet, just like they said the N97 was a Mobile Computer (lol).
And to this day, the N900 is still not widely released to mainstream users. If you shop at Nokia Shop, you are indeed an early adopter. Sadly, the vast majority of people still believe that what their carrier is carrying is the top notch, and they wait until their contract is ended so they can renew and "upgrade" to a new phone thru the carrier itself.
It was blogs and the internet. Sure. They included mentions of
the "Phone Part".
Don't bother. I will answer for you. "But, you shouldnt trust these things!". if it wasn't, for "these". The n900 wouldnt have sold AT ALL. I NEVER heard of Maemo before the n900.
By the way, it is available in other stores than the nokia shop in my city.
Originally Posted by IsaacDFP
It's not like a fuel cell in the n910. asking for some portrait functionality is actually achievable. that is a bad comparison. They just chose not to do it at the moment.
I understand. All i'm saying is it doesn't matter how much people ask for, it is futile, it will never happen, why even bother asking for it lol. I would like the next N910 to be dual-core with a fuel cell battery.
But let people express their Feedback, so that decision is not made again.
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Originally Posted by Fargus
Again. My point exactly. that lack of the functionality is not what is annoying. it's this attitude that is.
Amazing, even with having to cope with no predictive text or portrait mode either. I guess struggling with this 'awful' hardware keyboard can't be that bad then!
Nice to see it's not just me that thought this was an obvious thing too then.
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2010-03-28
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Originally Posted by Corso85
The on screen keyboard is a seperate 'application' rather than part of the operating system, I think there is some confusion here between what is operating system and what is an application running on the platform: there is a distinction.
It has to do with the operating system. The virtual keyboard is a system wide application. it has to be able to input text in all applications. not just one or the other.
Applications are able to supportthe porait orientation if they so wish but for some applications this does not make sense.
Originally Posted by Corso85
I think you really ought to reread my comments. The point I was making is nothing to do with my own requirements it was merely making the point that logic is not relevant here. Your requirement is not a matter of logic but a desire to utilise the device in a particular manner. I have no opinion on whether it should be implimented or not - please stop making wild accusations!
That is a selfesh argument. Just because you or whoever, does not need it. That does not mean others will feel the same.
Originally Posted by Corso85
Fancy word explanations? I thought I was using basic English to be honest! Maybe you ought to have a word with several laptop manufacturers then as similar features have been available (and used as a selling feature) for some time.
Please don't start these fancy word explanations. The moment you put in the n900, a stock phone and sms app, and included that information as a selling feature, in at least some of your ads You made people perceive it as a phone. That is not their fault. if you want it NOT to be called a phone AT ALL. you don't advertise the phone functionality AT ALL. you say it's a 3g tablet. similar to iPad.
If people have a perception that that is their responsibility. Nobody 'makes' you have a perception, you arrive at that yourself. I agree that a lot of sales staff in phone shops give that impression but then they are often motivated entirely by their commision. That is an entirely different debate though.
By this same virtue of not advertising a feature would you not advertise that a number of phones can utilise email and a web browser then in case people think it is a latop? Devices have a huge crossover nowadays so this is no longer a safe assumption of functional deliniation. Even televisions now can run very sophisticated applications!
Originally Posted by Corso85
After many attempts they were indeed polished. The early versions (as this is for the telphony on Maemo) were horrendous!
Yes. but Advanced, well made, Fax applications have been released on the PC making it in some instances even superior to an actual fax machine
Originally Posted by Corso85
The N900 wa not intended as a mainstream device it has always been step 4 of 5. The prior models in the Maemo family were available via retail too but the situation was understood. The difference his time is the phone retailers have started pushing their marketing behind the device.
You don't release a work in progress to mainstream users and make that an excuse for everything. the moment it went into a nokia shop. it became a consumer device. not developer.
Originally Posted by Corso85
I hope yu aren't acussing me of ascribing this request as selfish? At no point have I stated such and take exception to such a remark. I suggest that you have an emotional link to this subject and hav no read my comments with a calm mind. Overly emotive commentary does not tend to provide a persuasive arguement. I also haven't called anyone ignorant so please be careful and accurate in your comments, slurring people in public is rarely taken well.
I have made my peace with not having it a while ago. What i will never make peace with. Is people trying to selfeshly downplay other people who have a legitimate need for this and thus have a right to atleast ASK for it. without having been called ignorant.
Originally Posted by Corso85
Well I suspect that would when the platform is designed to be something that you can play with and sepcifically encouraged!
And of course. the "You make it arguemnt". Really? Really? Since when does a customer have to "make" things?
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Originally Posted by Corso85
You might note that there is a discussion here by mainstream publication in 2007 so I think we can say this is not cutting edge.
Link me one of these laptops? I'm waiting.
Yes. you are not contrasting my point. We are in agreement. it is a "decision" that this "device was not meant to do...."
That does not permit you or anyone from saying that asking for it, is in excusable.
It's called Feedback.
I would also like you to moderate your language. I have not claimed that asking for it is inexcusable I merely pointed out some observations. I believe that I refrained from expressing an opinion. Stop making assumptions about my motivation and quoting them in public!
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Ok yes that might have been a bad comparison but it is still what I ask for. My point is an opinion is just an opinion... Unless you work directly for Nokia, your opinion could be heard, just like it could be ignored. And I understand your point about the attitude annoying you, I will give you reason in that aspect. I guess I just spoke too soon without thinking much (its almost 4am for me lol). I for one have been dreaming of implementing portrait mode on the music player...but like you said so well, i have made my peace with it
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I AM an early adapter, but where was this formally stated by Nokia? Maybe the advertisement stating this should be put in the Wiki -- the issue comes up quite often.
By the way, can the moderators watch the commentary? I don't think calling someone a "dickwad" is called for.