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nosa101 is offline nosa101
2010-05-26 , 18:39
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
They have access to Nokia; who's been making phones for quite some time.
Not necessarily. In some companies, teams are independent from others. It might not be as easy as walking to the next cubicle to get tips.

The goals set by the maemo team might not be the same as the goals set by Nokia. I read somewhere that the n900 was supposed to be a niche device but Nokia advertised it as otherwise. There's always that clash between engineers, management and marketing.
 
zimon is offline zimon
2010-05-26 , 19:22
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Would think, N900 could not get certified as a GSM phone without those USSD- and service-codes (call forwarding) working. I thought they are obligatory.
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=how-...ing-ussd-codes

The call forwaring applet is too simple and too cumbersome for me to use. In N95 I had call forwarding shortcuts to answering machine with 5s and 20s delays in a contacts and just pressing '3' or '5' on the keypad would dial those USSD-codes and set call forwarding service.

I also find it unbelievable Nokia does not have "a list" of functions which GSM-phone must support before it gets to prototype phase.
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2010-05-27 , 00:30
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this is very well said. what we are talking about here is the implementation of a standard.

ok, anyhow, i need to compromise again.

thanks you guys who gave me answers.

Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Would think, N900 could not get certified as a GSM phone without those USSD- and service-codes (call forwarding) working. I thought they are obligatory.
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=how-...ing-ussd-codes

The call forwaring applet is too simple and too cumbersome for me to use. In N95 I had call forwarding shortcuts to answering machine with 5s and 20s delays in a contacts and just pressing '3' or '5' on the keypad would dial those USSD-codes and set call forwarding service.

I also find it unbelievable Nokia does not have "a list" of functions which GSM-phone must support before it gets to prototype phase.
 
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2010-05-27 , 05:48
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Originally Posted by nosa101 View Post
Not necessarily. In some companies, teams are independent from others. It might not be as easy as walking to the next cubicle to get tips.

The goals set by the maemo team might not be the same as the goals set by Nokia. I read somewhere that the n900 was supposed to be a niche device but Nokia advertised it as otherwise. There's always that clash between engineers, management and marketing.
Without hard evidence to support my or your concept of why things went wrong with the phone bits; I'll just default with the fact that it was under-delivered and incredibly lacking as opposed to the rest of their offerings by the same exact company.

That is a huge QA problem in any book no matter how fanatically you wish to dismiss it. No USSD initially for a phone launched in 2009?

Pitiful. Stop making excuses for them.
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KiberGus is offline KiberGus
2010-05-27 , 13:22
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n900 had USSD support from the beginning. It just didn't have UI for it. Now we have badly designed (or at least absolutely undocumented) UI.
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sjgadsby is offline sjgadsby
2010-05-27 , 13:40
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Originally Posted by chrget View Post
USSD is indeed implemented now in PR1.2. "Classic" service codes seemingly are not.
From the (now closed) bug 5357:

Originally Posted by Naba Kumar
Don't confuse it with SS codes (see comment #47 and various comments by Lassi).
SS codes is not officially enabled in PR1.2, mainly because most useful actions
are more conveniently done by UI in (Settings->Phone settings) such as call
forwarding, Call ID enable/disable etc.). These are legacy codes, so don't get
bogged down by this -- just visit your "Phone Settings". Less useful ones are
less useful, anyways.

If you are *still* interested to play with SS codes "dialing" via Dialer
(despite the User-Interface), there is an ester egg available to enable it in
PR1.2. You have to work it out yourself or tip Lassi with some beers before he
reveals it :).
I haven't checked if someone has opened a bug regarding SS codes yet.
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2010-05-27 , 13:46
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on my N900... it works now with PR 1.2..
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nosa101 is offline nosa101
2010-05-27 , 13:49
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Without hard evidence to support my or your concept of why things went wrong with the phone bits; I'll just default with the fact that it was under-delivered and incredibly lacking as opposed to the rest of their offerings by the same exact company.

That is a huge QA problem in any book no matter how fanatically you wish to dismiss it. No USSD initially for a phone launched in 2009?

Pitiful. Stop making excuses for them.
Ok, you win. I'll be on my way now
 
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2010-05-27 , 15:49
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The Easter Egg:

Originally Posted by Lassi Syrjala
The following lines in ~/.osso/call-ui.ini do the trick:
[supplementary]
ssc=1

Please note that officially this feature does not exist and therefore does not
come with a warranty of any kind. The settings applet (Settings > Phone) does
not properly indicate some of the services and does not allow revoking all of
them. Only modify the .ini file if you are feeling experimental and already
know your way around the MMI codes.

Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
I haven't checked if someone has opened a bug regarding SS codes yet.
See bug #8830, "Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030".
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2010-05-27 , 16:21
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#20
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
See bug #8830, "Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030".
Thank you for pointing that one out to us. It is an excellent example of the kind of thinking that seems to dominate Nokia's N900 development:

Originally Posted by Naba Kumar (Nokia)
"3GPP compliance" is a concern for Nokia, not for users (unless, you are an
operator or something, which I gather you are not). So this bug is not useful
in any sense.
This kind of statement is, to put it very mildly and after calming down considerably, completely unacceptable. I have no idea what kind of function this person holds within Nokia (and frankly I don't really care). But with a statement like that, they disqualified themselves from working in a company that produces mobile phones. Period.

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