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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by garyc2010
The point is that Nokia produce hundreds of other handsets across other platforms and operating systems. The N900 is a vanishingly small part of their overall business.
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by afaq
hmmm where to start....
- Apple know how to look after their customers.
Yes thats true because their customers are paying them for everything. From ringtones, useful apps, replacement batteries etc. You are locked inside apple's world. You give money, they give service.
Nokia is for most part free for life. After buying every nokia device i've yet to pay nokia for anything else. Bought replacement batteries from 3rd suppliers (and changed it myself! shock), create my own ringtones, wallpapers (Glad OS4 can finally have wallpapers), and the excellent maemo developer community chug out new app's every week. Free!.
- at least *try* the iPhone, will cost you nothing
Er yes. Nothing? except your pennies on a daily basis. Also lets not forget what you will lose. (Assuming you actually like open standards?).
But yes most customers just want pretty looking interfaces with minimal functionality but stable apps. Iphone 4 has excellent hardware but it's OS remains the same (folders are not revolutionary, nor is multi tasking).
Android is excellent too for a consumer who sits inbetween these two devices. Though i do seriously believe N900 is only really appreciated and loved by a few. It will remain in my mind a handset/maemo OS that re-ignited my love for nokia. I know, I know. Hate Nokia but they did bring us N900 and Maemo.
"Yes thats true because their customers are paying them for everything. From ringtones,useful apps, replacement batteries etc."
THOUSANDS of free ringtones, nada, zip, nowt, free !!!!!!, there was a thread here yesterday a guy asking would you play $1 for a n900 theme.....hmm imagine paying for content/apps !!!
" useful apps, " - again more FREE apps than you would believe, sky news, sky sports news, espn news, met office weather, autotrader, share tracker, XE Currency convertor...I think you bringing up apps was a bad idea.
"Also lets not forget what you will lose. (Assuming you actually like open standards?). " like the open standards the n900 supports ???? that would be caldav / Imap IDLE / Funambol etc ??
"replacement batteries etc"....will nokia give me a free battery for my n900 and 5300 ?????
" You give money, they give service."....exactly, and thats how I like
it, with nokia it was "i give money"........and well thats about it really, nothing in return for my cash.
"and the excellent maemo developer community chug out new app's every week. Free!." hmmm....show me one actually paying for and I'll buy it.
The new iphone os 4.0 is FREE to even the older 3g iphones, although no multitasking due to hardware constraints, but it is this level of support that Nokia can only dream of, patiently we waited MONTHS for the utterly rubbish pr1.2, theres no comparison
Can I ask how many people here who slate iphone actually OWN one ???? I own both n900 and 3gs, so I can make comparisons. The fanbois on here can't see the n900 is a dead project, nokia are selling in India and anywhere else to clear their stockroom out, their intentions for n900 have been made crystal clear.
No dont I will be flamed for this, but all the above is the TRUTH and FACTS, but some/alot of n900 owners are in denial.
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by wheelybird
Hmm why are apple in this "unique" position ??? common sense I would say. It is Nokias choice/bad management that they produce a large range of unconnected handsets, I have never used an ipad, but I'd bet in 5min id be pretty well conversed with its operation, why ??? consistent user experience across a product range. People don't like to learn new stuff, Windows case in point.
The point is that Nokia produce hundreds of other handsets across other platforms and operating systems. The N900 is a vanishingly small part of their overall business.
Going from one Nokia phone to another is simply a big a leap as going from one manufacturer to another, couple this with the fact that Nokia doesn't even seem to have a viable roadmap, instead hopping from platform to platform.
Maemo 5 / n900 should have been a defining moment for Nokia, I bought into the dream. A slick polished Maemo 5 running on great hardware, could have put Nokias "foot in the door", after a product cycle of refinement and honing/improvement, Maemo 5 could have been rolled out to other handsets, gaining momentum. But it turned out so different.
The n900 is just a hot potato to Nokia now, Maemo 5 was afaik only relased on the n900, and as such it should have been pretty well polished, it wasn't even beta quality.
its about time people stopped making excuses for the inexcusable and face up to the fact Nokia released a poor quality product, with PATENTLY NO QA carried out, and have no real intention of rectifying it, and they have left the community to carry the can without so much the decency to open up its code. People are missing the bigger picture, Android are building up an excellent ecosystem rapidly, and thats why imo they will succeed, Nokia simply didn't know what to do with the n900/maemo combo.
/end rant
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2010-06-17
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hmmm where to start....
"THOUSANDS of free ringtones, nada, zip, nowt, free !!!!!!, there was a thread here yesterday a guy asking would you play $1 for a n900 theme.....hmm imagine paying for content/apps !!!"
Hmm, perhaps because the iPhone cannot access the webpage itself without losing critical experience, unlike the N900...?
"again more FREE apps than you would believe, sky news, sky sports news, espn news, met office weather, autotrader, share tracker, XE Currency convertor...I think you bringing up apps was a bad idea."
Read the above. You even get to read the news using the RSS widget reader! NO need to wait for app opening!
"like the open standards the n900 supports ???? that would be caldav / Imap IDLE / Funambol etc ??"
Like being able to easily flash a firmware, have a root terminal, be able to contribute back to the Linux tree, etc?
"....will nokia give me a free battery for my n900 and 5300 ?????"
At least you have a choice to replace your battery on the go. Out in the weekend without a charger with the iPhone vs out in the weekend without a charger with the N900? The choice is clear.
....exactly, and thats how I like it, with nokia it was "i give money"........and well thats about it really, nothing in return for my cash."
With Apple, it was more like my
"hmmm....show me one actually paying for and I'll buy it."
???
"The new iphone os 4.0 is FREE to even the older 3g iphones, although no multitasking due to hardware constraints, but it is this level of support that Nokia can only dream of, patiently we waited MONTHS for the utterly rubbish pr1.2, theres no comparison"
Bwahahahaha. Utterly rubbish? Well, http://blog.gsmarena.com/ios-4-gold-...-rant-follows/
"Can I ask how many people here who slate iphone actually OWN one ???? I own both n900 and 3gs, so I can make comparisons. The fanbois on here can't see the n900 is a dead project, nokia are selling in India and anywhere else to clear their stockroom out, their intentions for n900 have been made crystal clear."
Is increasing distribution area a bad corporate decision? I'd wager all sane person will call it a smart move.
No dont I will be flamed for this, but all the above is the TRUTH and FACTS, but some/alot of iPhone owners are in denial.
"THOUSANDS of free ringtones, nada, zip, nowt, free !!!!!!, there was a thread here yesterday a guy asking would you play $1 for a n900 theme.....hmm imagine paying for content/apps !!!"
Hmm, perhaps because the iPhone cannot access the webpage itself without losing critical experience, unlike the N900...?
"again more FREE apps than you would believe, sky news, sky sports news, espn news, met office weather, autotrader, share tracker, XE Currency convertor...I think you bringing up apps was a bad idea."
Read the above. You even get to read the news using the RSS widget reader! NO need to wait for app opening!
"like the open standards the n900 supports ???? that would be caldav / Imap IDLE / Funambol etc ??"
Like being able to easily flash a firmware, have a root terminal, be able to contribute back to the Linux tree, etc?
"....will nokia give me a free battery for my n900 and 5300 ?????"
At least you have a choice to replace your battery on the go. Out in the weekend without a charger with the iPhone vs out in the weekend without a charger with the N900? The choice is clear.
....exactly, and thats how I like it, with nokia it was "i give money"........and well thats about it really, nothing in return for my cash."
With Apple, it was more like my
"hmmm....show me one actually paying for and I'll buy it."
???
"The new iphone os 4.0 is FREE to even the older 3g iphones, although no multitasking due to hardware constraints, but it is this level of support that Nokia can only dream of, patiently we waited MONTHS for the utterly rubbish pr1.2, theres no comparison"
Bwahahahaha. Utterly rubbish? Well, http://blog.gsmarena.com/ios-4-gold-...-rant-follows/
"Can I ask how many people here who slate iphone actually OWN one ???? I own both n900 and 3gs, so I can make comparisons. The fanbois on here can't see the n900 is a dead project, nokia are selling in India and anywhere else to clear their stockroom out, their intentions for n900 have been made crystal clear."
Is increasing distribution area a bad corporate decision? I'd wager all sane person will call it a smart move.
No dont I will be flamed for this, but all the above is the TRUTH and FACTS, but some/alot of iPhone owners are in denial.
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2010-06-17
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The iPhone is, I'm sure, a great phone. However the original poster stated the desire to move to an Android phone in order to future-proof his phone.
The discussion was then about whether or not Android phones really do get this type of support. I doubt it's constructive to turn it into yet another thread about how fantastic the iPhone is - if he was interested in the iPhone he would have said as much.
Some N900 may be in denial about how good their device is, but others don't really care. Some just wanted a Linux palmtop computer that could do phone calls, and didn't care so much about all the whizzy apps and contacts syncing and so on. You can't, for example, ssh into a iPhone unless you jailbreak it. If your answer to that is "why would you want to?" then you probably bought the wrong device.
However, to answer the original post, Android seems quite nifty and you should give it a go. Just check that the handset will be supported with future OS upgrades and you're not stuck with the version it's shipped with.
The discussion was then about whether or not Android phones really do get this type of support. I doubt it's constructive to turn it into yet another thread about how fantastic the iPhone is - if he was interested in the iPhone he would have said as much.
Some N900 may be in denial about how good their device is, but others don't really care. Some just wanted a Linux palmtop computer that could do phone calls, and didn't care so much about all the whizzy apps and contacts syncing and so on. You can't, for example, ssh into a iPhone unless you jailbreak it. If your answer to that is "why would you want to?" then you probably bought the wrong device.
However, to answer the original post, Android seems quite nifty and you should give it a go. Just check that the handset will be supported with future OS upgrades and you're not stuck with the version it's shipped with.
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by garyc2010
Nokia has only 2 smartphone platforms - the Symbian and the Maemo platform. Symbian was 99% the same on EVERY single Symbian device that I've touched, which includes more than 10 recent devices. Even S40 is quite similar to S60! If that's not consistency...
Hmm why are apple in this "unique" position ??? common sense I would say. It is Nokias choice/bad management that they produce a large range of unconnected handsets, I have never used an ipad, but I'd bet in 5min id be pretty well conversed with its operation, why ??? consistent user experience across a product range. People don't like to learn new stuff, Windows case in point.
Going from one Nokia phone to another is simply a big a leap as going from one manufacturer to another, couple this with the fact that Nokia doesn't even seem to have a viable roadmap, instead hopping from platform to platform.
Maemo 5 / n900 should have been a defining moment for Nokia, I bought into the dream. A slick polished Maemo 5 running on great hardware, could have put Nokias "foot in the door", after a product cycle of refinement and honing/improvement, Maemo 5 could have been rolled out to other handsets, gaining momentum. But it turned out so different.
The n900 is just a hot potato to Nokia now, Maemo 5 was afaik only relased on the n900, and as such it should have been pretty well polished, it wasn't even beta quality.
its about time people stopped making excuses for the inexcusable and face up to the fact Nokia released a poor quality product, with PATENTLY NO QA carried out, and have no real intention of rectifying it, and they have left the community to carry the can without so much the decency to open up its code. People are missing the bigger picture, Android are building up an excellent ecosystem rapidly, and thats why imo they will succeed, Nokia simply didn't know what to do with the n900/maemo combo.
/end rant
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by garyc2010
Well I didn't say it was a bad thing. They're not exclusively a mobile handset company though - they've always been about selling a small range of their own hardware/software packages unlike Nokia/ SE etc. who seem to want to produce more handset variants than there are people in the world.
Hmm why are apple in this "unique" position ??? common sense I would say.
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by wheelybird
Or buy a HTC device - if HTC won't do it, XDA has got your back.
However, to answer the original post, Android seems quite nifty and you should give it a go. Just check that the handset will be supported with future OS upgrades and you're not stuck with the version it's shipped with.
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2010-06-17
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Wheelybird
"You can't, for example, ssh into a iPhone unless you jailbreak it. If your answer to that is "why would you want to?" then you probably bought the wrong device."
Why would I want to ssh into an iPhone ??? or an n900 for that matter ? (I ssh into my remote servers, but there is a point to that)
Rickysio
"be able to contribute back to the Linux tree, etc?"
Nokia use closed binaries, and a custom linux kernal, how much exactly is fed back upstream to debian please tell me ?
"You can't, for example, ssh into a iPhone unless you jailbreak it. If your answer to that is "why would you want to?" then you probably bought the wrong device."
Why would I want to ssh into an iPhone ??? or an n900 for that matter ? (I ssh into my remote servers, but there is a point to that)
Rickysio
"be able to contribute back to the Linux tree, etc?"
Nokia use closed binaries, and a custom linux kernal, how much exactly is fed back upstream to debian please tell me ?
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2010-06-17
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Originally Posted by garyc2010
Nokia's closed binaries are AFAIK related to device specific. Those closed sections are all related to interfacing with hardware, so why not? Why can it not be done?
Nokia use closed binaries, and a custom linux kernal, how much exactly is fed back upstream to debian please tell me ?
And you'd do well to direct the question at the maemo team. Not me.