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2007-06-22 , 23:47
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Apples and oranges, yes - but people who already have contracts with carriers (and who doesn't?) and are considering breaking them to get the iPhone should seriously consider the N800 as an alternative.
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2007-06-23 , 00:37
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The iphone has lots of good software that works.

Competition is over!

The only reasons to choose the N800 over the Iphone I can see are cost and the need for a larger screen.
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2007-06-23 , 04:27
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Originally Posted by Ceklund View Post
... Did you know that any pictures stored on, or taken with, your cellphone are considered the property of the cellphone company you go through? They have the right (if you signed their contract they do) to log on to your phone, view, upload, and keep any photo you have stored on there. With the N800... all of our photos are not on the phone, they are on memory cards.
I don't know what cellphone you're using, but mine stores pictures on an SD card, nowhere else.

Even with 1.3 mp camera phones, you just can't store all that many pictures within memory (typically 64M, maybe 128M or so). Some sort of external media is needed.

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2007-06-23 , 09:06
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post
The iPhone and N800 are not comparable and anyone that makes the distinction that they are has a very small grasp on both technologies.
Originally Posted by testerj View Post
Please do not compare a CELL PHONE with an Internet Tablet, 2 totally different products on completely different kinds of platforms even if they share some of the same functionality, much like a motorcyle and a car, you just can't compare the 2... they may get you to the same destination but they are not the same.
Anyone who fails to see that the iPhone and N800 are competing for the same customer base has a very small grasp on market forces. Anyone who owns an iPhone will not buy an N800 as the feature overlap is too great; and face it, many more people are going to own an iPhone in the first month than have ever owned a Maemo device.

Yes, potentially an N800 + mobile phone can provide the same functionality, but then:
  1. The software is not as polished or (I'm going out on a limb which I feel fairly sturdy on) reliable
  2. The N800 is much bigger (which is both an advantage and disadvantage)
  3. It's not as integrated, or - conversely - it's componentised (again, both a pro and a con)
  4. ...

Just because the devices don't overlap 100% in their feature set does not mean they're not competitors.

Similarly the Foleo and the Asus Eee PC when released this summer will be competitors, and ones I will seriously consider getting.

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2007-06-23 , 10:03
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Originally Posted by dbec10 View Post
The iphone has lots of good software that works.

Competition is over!
Aok, are there anything comparable to Pidgin on iPhone?Or maybe, xchat?And can I even use iPhone to connect to remote host using OpenVPN or maybe, some SSH app will be here?No?What?Developers are only allowed to write some web crap as "software"?Yep, total winner.But n800 is rather resembles PC - if some feature needed you have to install software and got it.iPhone will be just phone, not even smartphone since smart phone means ability to run not lame web crap but a decent applications written in native code so they can run fast enough to decode video for example.Web crap will never have speed enough to decode DIVX on it's own.So, on SMART phones as well as on n800 you can set up NEW player if you dislike built-in one.On iPhone you can not.You're FORCED to stick to "software that works".Without options.Kinda boring device.For example no built-in players will be ever able to compete with mplayer on n800 or TCPMP on palm\PocketPC.Built in players are supporting too few formats.They're toys, even if they're working ok.
 
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2007-06-23 , 10:53
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Originally Posted by PowerUser View Post
Aok, are there anything comparable to Pidgin on iPhone?Or maybe, xchat?And can I even use iPhone to connect to remote host using OpenVPN or maybe, some SSH app will be here?No?What?Developers are only allowed to write some web crap as "software"?Yep, total winner.But n800 is rather resembles PC - if some feature needed you have to install software and got it.iPhone will be just phone, not even smartphone since smart phone means ability to run not lame web crap but a decent applications written in native code so they can run fast enough to decode video for example.Web crap will never have speed enough to decode DIVX on it's own.So, on SMART phones as well as on n800 you can set up NEW player if you dislike built-in one.On iPhone you can not.You're FORCED to stick to "software that works".Without options.Kinda boring device.For example no built-in players will be ever able to compete with mplayer on n800 or TCPMP on palm\PocketPC.Built in players are supporting too few formats.They're toys, even if they're working ok.
Do you think the owners of iPhones care about SSH, OpenVPN, etc...? They care about having a phone that makes calls, having their music, and some web/native applications. What is hard to grasp about this? They are too different devices. The difference is, one will probably work out of the box with almost no learning curve, 3 second faults, reboot issues, touch screen issues, etc... and the other is still a beta device being sold as a finished product, that happens not to be a phone by the way.
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2007-06-23 , 10:57
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Originally Posted by aflegg View Post
Anyone who fails to see that the iPhone and N800 are competing for the same customer base has a very small grasp on market forces. Anyone who owns an iPhone will not buy an N800 as the feature overlap is too great; and face it, many more people are going to own an iPhone in the first month than have ever owned a Maemo device.


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Glad you mentioned market forces. The iPhone will not compete as a direct competitor to the N800. It should be quite obvious why. Can the N800 sync with iTunes, sync contacts, calendars, notes, any syncing at all. Survey says: NO! Feature overlap? Do you mean native, built in features? Last time I looked the iPhone has many more than the N800. The N800 is a build yourself and run it platform, while the iPhone will have them built and sold for users to decide which ones to buy. For the most part this will present the average user with a more logical choice as the applications that run on the iPhone will have been tested, verified and certified as working.

They are two different platforms, looking for two different markets. If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say.
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2007-06-23 , 12:34
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post
They are two different platforms, looking for two different markets. If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say.
In one paragraph you say they don't compete, and then in the next say N800 users can "migrate to the iPhone".

That means they're competing.

You may think the competition is so utterly in favour of the iPhone to be not worth discussion, but that's not what we're discussing. Your argument adds weight to the initial point that Nokia *can* learn lots from the iPhone and Apple, whether in terms of marketing, UI design or software polish.
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2007-06-23 , 14:29
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Originally Posted by aflegg View Post
In one paragraph you say they don't compete, and then in the next say N800 users can "migrate to the iPhone".

That means they're competing.

You may think the competition is so utterly in favour of the iPhone to be not worth discussion, but that's not what we're discussing. Your argument adds weight to the initial point that Nokia *can* learn lots from the iPhone and Apple, whether in terms of marketing, UI design or software polish.
I do love your selective selection of my texts to misrepresent my statements. What I said was:
If a host of N800 users suddenly migrate to the iPhone, this should tell the story about which is a better and more usable platform I would say.
Quite different from what you presume I said. The key word in my statement being "'if". Personally I could not care less if the iPhone, which is a phone and sold as such, outsells the N800, which is an Internet Table and sold as such, thus NO COMPARISON in my book. They are two different devices selling to two different markets which should also be quite easy to see. My argument simply states that there is no comparison between the two devices while you may think that there is. Great. That's your opinion and I am entitled to mine. A comparison would be between the N770 and the N800, or the iPhone against other phones, say the N95 or the E61, but to think that an Internet Tablet is comparable to a phone makes no sense and does not represent a real comparison in my book.
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2007-06-23 , 15:47
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So aflegg you have over 900 posts in this forum do you provide code/development support or work for Nokia ? Just wondering why your backing this up as if it where worthy to be compared with the Iphone...? N800 is not even out of alpha status
 
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