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2007-06-26
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I changed my opinion on the death penalty as well in recent years. I was completely against it, but I am now for it in the rare instances in which allowing someone to live poses a substantial continuing threat to society, for example in societies in which killers can buy their way out of prison. So I had no sympathy with Bogart in Treasure of The Sierra Madre or with Saddam.
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2007-06-26
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If you put someone in prison for life. They then continue to try to kill other inmates and CO's, and then proceed to waste tax money by having a trial for someone who is already spending their life in prison.
Enough is enough, FRY EM!!
Other instances also come to mind. This recent murder in Canton OH. This guy killed his kids mother, in front of his two year old. Mommy hit her head, mommy is wrapped in a rug.
Die Die Die no regrets
I am not against the Death penalty for people who merrit it. I did not feel this way before I had 4 kids of my own, but it is very apparent to me that in some instances, it is the best outcome.
Textrat, are you trying to say you did not make that porn movie? Perhaps just a rat look alike.... Paranoia will destroy ya
Enough is enough, FRY EM!!
Other instances also come to mind. This recent murder in Canton OH. This guy killed his kids mother, in front of his two year old. Mommy hit her head, mommy is wrapped in a rug.
Die Die Die no regrets
I am not against the Death penalty for people who merrit it. I did not feel this way before I had 4 kids of my own, but it is very apparent to me that in some instances, it is the best outcome.
Textrat, are you trying to say you did not make that porn movie? Perhaps just a rat look alike.... Paranoia will destroy ya
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2007-06-26
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@ North Texas, USA
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If you put someone in prison for life. They then continue to try to kill other inmates and CO's, and then proceed to waste tax money by having a trial for someone who is already spending their life in prison.
2. It costs more to the taxpayers to execute someone than imprison them for life. Google it if you doubt; stats are available.
I'm well-versed in all the arguments favoring the death penalty (I used to be for it myself when I was younger and more bloodthirsty)-- but logically and humanely, the counterarguments shred them beyond hope. Bottom line, the State has no right killing its citizens... especially since so many errors have been made in that pursuit of vengeance.
That's as far as I'll go on the argument. I wasn't easily swayed at first, either. I had to become a student of logic first.
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2007-06-26
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
That's not terribly eloquent, Karel. Unless you are referring to Ron Paul, in which case it's still not a very good political critique.
Idiot......
Oh, I'm not saying Ron Paul's actually a member of anything as radical as Aryan Nations. We're talking about a great variety of paranoid right-wing organizations; the fact is that he's been at least rubbing shoulders with that kind of crowd for a very long time.
After his 1979-85 service in Congress as a Republican and his 1988 campaign for the presidency as the nominee of the Libertarian Party, Ron Paul returned home to Surfside, Texas and devoted himself to a variety of pursuits, one of which was his self-published newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report. Founded in 1985, the eight-page newsletter featured Paul's extreme libertarian perspective on a number of different issues, notably crackpot theories about the Federal Reserve and the money system and a tireless advocacy of a return to the gold standard—a longtime Ron Paul hobby horse. The Ron Paul Political Report would come to feature in the stable of "underground" publications and photocopied "zines" that fed the nascent "patriot movement" that arose in the early 1990s, spurred by anger over federal government actions in Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and by fear of a supposed "New World Order." Indeed, Paul changed the name of the newsletter to the Ron Paul Survival Report around 1993 in what we may presume to be an effort to tap into the survivalist sentiments then peaking among the radical right wing.
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2007-06-26
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@ Michigan, USA
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Textrat, logic to me says, if you have a dog that attacks people, you put it to sleep. An animal is an animal, I see no difference.
1) You made no point, whats speculation, that it happens everyday?
2) Cost is relative, if it was your kids the psycho killed, you might throw in some extra taxes yourself. What is a humane life worth?
Its easy to look at others and say they are bloodthirsty, or they are not as smart and logical and the all knowing QA guy from nokia....But I seriously think, sometimes people deserve to die!
No gung ho, no kill em all, just rational, protect my family...
1) You made no point, whats speculation, that it happens everyday?
2) Cost is relative, if it was your kids the psycho killed, you might throw in some extra taxes yourself. What is a humane life worth?
Its easy to look at others and say they are bloodthirsty, or they are not as smart and logical and the all knowing QA guy from nokia....But I seriously think, sometimes people deserve to die!
No gung ho, no kill em all, just rational, protect my family...
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2007-06-26
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I try to stay as far from politics as I can. I do have an opinion on the whole "Middle East problem". Pull all our guys and girls out, civilian, military, and diplomatic. Have absolutely nothing to do with them. Let them work their own problems out. They've been fighting each other since before Jesus was born. We're (US) not going to help them. All we're doing is pissing them off, and getting people killed. We have enough oil in the southern states and up here in Alaska to run the country, if we didn't ship it all to China. There's also nothing wrong with tactical nukes, they do a damn fine job of making a point. There has to be consequences for terrorist acts, so far there really hasn't been any. Sure we've killed some of the bad guys, but new one's just take their place. We need to do something that makes them sit back and thing, maybe this isn't such a good idea. All we're doing now is giving them new targets.
Our court system has also become a joke, just look at the "news" for the last month. Why is some rich bimbo on the news because she got a freaking DUI? Throw the ***** in jail and be done with it. The whole world is going to hell in a hand basket.
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Our court system has also become a joke, just look at the "news" for the last month. Why is some rich bimbo on the news because she got a freaking DUI? Throw the ***** in jail and be done with it. The whole world is going to hell in a hand basket.
Originally Posted by Texrat
.308 to the back of the head doesn't cost that much. The just do it wrong. I'm not saying kill them all, but when you have confesses killers, or lots of witnesses...
2. It costs more to the taxpayers to execute someone than imprison them for life. Google it if you doubt; stats are available.
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2007-06-26
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I think I've commented as much as I should here on the death penalty subject... especially since hyperbole and sarcasm have now become the favored mode of response. Arnim's thread is being co-opted, anyway.
I just hope the tendency to treat due process cavalierly is an attribute of the minority...
I just hope the tendency to treat due process cavalierly is an attribute of the minority...
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2007-06-26
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Hmm. Not a given, that... remember where the verb "to lynch" came from ? :-)
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2007-06-26
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I wasn't being sarcastic.
I think I've commented as much as I should here on the death penalty subject... especially since hyperbole and sarcasm have now become the favored mode of response. Arnim's thread is being co-opted, anyway.
I just hope the tendency to treat due process cavalierly is an attribute of the minority...
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2007-06-26
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@ Po' Bo'. PA
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I went to the Randy Newman School of Political Science...
LoL
No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens
We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us
We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too
Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now
LoL