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#11
One idea.
Wiki markup gives headache to most/some (probably most) users and in contrary editing first message / posting new message is much easier. (Simple WYSIWYG and familiar editing system since dawn of vbulletin)

So there should be same markup between wiki and vbullettin markup. Some WYSIWYG editor or some easy way to export messages to wiki.

And maybe the BIGGEST reason why we do not see wiki much extensive editing is our user-base that is divided between maemo.org and talk.maemo.org. On that second when user is asked to register again after registering TMO probably most of people just leave it there and think WTF!

Easy, Fast, Simple.
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#12
Originally Posted by slender View Post
One idea.
Wiki markup gives headache to most/some (probably most) users and in contrary editing first message / posting new message is much easier. (Simple WYSIWYG and familiar editing system since dawn of vbulletin)

So there should be same markup between wiki and vbullettin markup. Some WYSIWYG editor or some easy way to export messages to wiki.

And maybe the BIGGEST reason why we do not see wiki much extensive editing is our user-base that is divided between maemo.org and talk.maemo.org. On that second when user is asked to register again after registering TMO probably most of people just leave it there and think WTF!

Easy, Fast, Simple.
As I said before, a wiki is the most powerful solution, but has its downsides...effort, how to know it exists, how to find...
Sticky Post would be easy to maintain and users are bumped to it by having as newest post!
Besides that, from my point of view, a wiki is simply over-engineered for most threads. A single regularly updated post is enough in most cases as proven in many threads with updated Post #1...
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wiki + vbulletin on same page would be kind of neat

First message could be editable to all user like wiki page and conversation would be like it is in vbulletin.
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Originally Posted by slender View Post
wiki + vbulletin on same page would be kind of neat

First message could be editable to all user like wiki page and conversation would be like it is in vbulletin.
Personally I donīt care about the technical base behind the scenes in terms of wiki, vbulletin or whatever...
But I totally agree, a easily editable first - sticky - post, that might be a way to address useless repeating posts....

However, guess we should think about limiting users who are allowed to edit (Only OP + users with a certain number of posts). Otherwise we might run into trouble with trolling ;-)
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5,000 posts minimum.
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5,000 posts minimum.
LoL, great idea, that leaves you and, let me guess, ahh no one else!? , who is allowed to edit?
Are you willing to do this job alone?
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I don't think any new rules are needed, because I think things are working ok already.
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I don't think any new rules are needed, because I think things are working ok already.
Geneven, I agree, this forum works ok, more than that from my point of view. Iīd never say anything else, otherwise I wouldn't be here. Probably I would have even exchanged my phone for something else without this community!

But there is always room for improvement.
Why accept the situation without trying to improve?

What we discuss here is not a new rule, its about giving the community a feature and tool to share knowledge and help each other more easily. Its about less frustration due to endless searching and reading through useless repeating posts. Useless posts resulting in as useless answers like "search before you post" and "already answered"...

If you donīt care about this problem, fair enough!
But I see frustrated users all over the forum and just try to find a solution with this idea...

If you have a better idea, feel free to share...
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I don't think any new rules are needed, because I think things are working ok already.
Do you want that I pull out web tree of maemo.org and TMO? This place is semi mess.

Not rules. But what I have seen here is same thing that is slowly happening on my girlfriends work laptop: desktop full of icons, many many many folders in all sort of places. And after couple of years when I ask her to pull out some excel sheet she will not find it. Relations of files & documents are messed and different projects are across folders. Same thing has happened and is happening here :| She is highly productive RIGHT NOW but leaves fck mess behind her.
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Reflektorfalke, i know that you mean well and Your idea isn't bad at all, but I'm afraid that it can lead to even more info fragmentation. Now, one can find info on Wiki, on "[Announce]xyq" topic, and probably on few topics related to same things but called about "problems with xyq".

For me, only one rationale solution is more discipline about keeping wiki up to date, then responding to questions already covered in wiki by only linking to wiki. Maybe this seems little harsh, but i think that this will both propagate wiki at all + teach offenders to search there first. also, information will be in one place...

Forum = discussions, i.e tracking down problems and making conclusions. when we got conclusion, data goes to wiki. If ever conclusion change due to new discoveries, we can update wiki

I know that now wiki is little messed up, but i can't agree that it is shitmeat. I found very valuable info there - at least half of things i learned, another half is from forum I'm patient, so it was no problem for me to triple-check every aspect between wiki data / announce data / other topics data, but i must agree, it all would be faster if found just in one place (then, discussion about actual problems in forum).

Maybe it is even good idea to clear parts of the topic that were already concluded and summarized on wiki? You know, after 14-15 pages of discussion most of the times we already have one or two conclusions - this can be moved to wiki, then related posts on topic deleted. I know that this could be much work for moderators - maybe popular topics, like kernel-power and similiar, should have ''topic maintainers''? Like pali for kernel-power v47, or package maintainer when we talk about [announce]... anyway, this is just idea. Keeping wiki up to date is most important part in my opinion.
 
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