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jakiman	2011-11-12 , 00:05
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Originally Posted by slai

Nope, it closes from the top of the device, no matter how youre holding it. Say you hold it with the ffcam upwards (ie upside down in portrait), swiping downwards (from the ffcam end towards the Nokia brand end) will now close the app..

So are you still using PR1.0 still?

I would have noticed this 100% when using PR1.0 but did not.
I noticed it as soon as I updated my N9 to PR1.1.

So yeah, I am quite sure it was app orientation before on PR1.0.
But with PR1.1, it closes on the physical orientation which is bad.

Either way, current method is not good and I hope this can be changed.

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dagee04	2011-11-12 , 00:19
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lol ok guys this is not a big deal. I used to use swipe manager and used to swipe up to close since it was easier for my thumb to find the bottom rather than the top of the phone. I only updated yesterday but i've been doing that for over a week since i got my phone. We're being nitpicky here. PR1.0 or PR1.1 I think its a great feature. Which ever way you hold you phone UP IS UP and DOWN IS DOWN. How can that not be good? I just typed this using swype and i'm in landscape mode. So now I'm going to swipe upward to close this lol

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jakiman	2011-11-12 , 00:30
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Originally Posted by dagee04

Which ever way you hold you phone UP IS UP and DOWN IS DOWN. How can that not be good? I just typed this using swype and i'm in landscape mode. So now I'm going to swipe upward to close this lol

It doesn't help when it's laid flat on the desk or held in a not so perfect angle. I want 100% success rate not "hope that I got it right" method which is what it is right now in various situations. It might sound nitpicky to some but to me, this really changes the way I need to use the phone now and the uncertainty it created is annoying me quite a lot.

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jonnyl	2011-11-12 , 00:36
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Originally Posted by jakiman

It doesn't help when it's laid flat on the desk or held in a not so perfect angle. I want 100% success rate not "hope that I got it right" method which is what it is right now in various situations. It might sound nitpicky to some but to me, this really changes the way I need to use the phone now and the uncertainty it created is annoying me quite a lot.

I can see that.

Personally, I found it confusing at first, but then I kind of liked it because I know when its in my hand, I know how to swipe down, I don't have to be looking at the app. Eg, if I have an app open and I don't realize it doesn't rotate, I don't have to guess about top down, if I have it holding in landscape and the app won't rotate landscape, it use to be left to right to close... now I know down to close means down to close.

On the desk, I totally get that. It is confusing. Good thing we also have multitasking view

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jakiman	2011-11-12 , 03:36
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This is what my N9 current does:
0. Set your N9 so it closes on swiping down. (default in PR1.1)
1. Open Music app (which doesn't have landscape mode)
2. Hold the phone in landscape.
3. Now swipe down at its physical orientation. (which should technically be side-swiping the Music app)
4. App closes. (but I didn't swipe from top of the "app"!!)

I'm quite sure it didn't do this before.
Anyways, still confused how it was in PR1.0...

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jonnyl	2011-11-12 , 03:57
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Originally Posted by jakiman

This is what my N9 current does:
0. Set your N9 so it closes on swiping down. (default in PR1.1)
1. Open Music app (which doesn't have landscape mode)
2. Hold the phone in landscape.
3. Now swipe down at its physical orientation. (which should technically be side-swiping the Music app)
4. App closes. (but I didn't swipe from top of the "app"!!)

I'm quite sure it didn't do this before.
Anyways, still confused how it was in PR1.0...

I'm pretty positive it was what the app considered the top in PR1.0, that's why it was confusing in PR1.1, but like I said, I think I do prefer it like that now that I'm use to it.

In PR 1.0 I did find on more than one occasion of swiping an app away because its locked in a certain orientation (like games, music, video, or other orientation locked apps). I think I find it less confusing when the device is in my hand (which it usually is).

I can see the point you're making, when its flat on a surface, it could be confusing in orientation locked apps (that also don't have the top status bar)

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jakiman	2011-11-12 , 04:03
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Yeah, I got confirmation from current PR1.0 users that the behavior is different to PR1.1. I guess Nokia devs changed this to physical orientation in PR1.1.I wish they didn't do this personally. I wonder if there is a hack way to change this. Maybe the maker of swipemanager app can put a toggle setting for this so we can choose which method we like. Hmmmm.

I've just asked him.

https://twitter.com/#!/shootspeak/st...06391328677888

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eaglehelang	2011-11-12 , 04:18
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Originally Posted by warrentaye

Nope its different now. Before the update it wouldnt matter how you held the phone or if the app was in landscape you would just swipe top of phone to bottom, Now what happens is that it actually depends on the orientation of the phone, so its swiping top to bottom to close, from the phone perspective and not the actual application.

It was already that way before the update, so this is not a change. This actually is somewhat troublesome if I'm tilting my phone slightly and it reads it as landscape, when I swipe left, it will close. Those who use the phone laying down on the bed/sofa will know. Or even putting it flat on the table, the phone thinks it's in landscape mode. Someone posted on this in the another thread.

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slai	2011-11-12 , 05:26
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So yeah, I am quite sure it was app orientation before on PR1.0.
But with PR1.1, it closes on the physical orientation which is bad.

It closed on physical orientation in PR 1.0 as well, but ONLY if the top was either Nokia logo side or button side (portrait top and landscape top). If you held an app that was pure landscape, like the Videos app, in a portrait grip, and slid your finger from the nokia logo and down, the app would close.

EVEN IF the app orientation would claim it to close if swiped from the buttonside (landscape top).

So either way, youd have confusion when the phone is on a table, which I have no idea why it would be anyways, especially while you try to close an app. But in that scenario I can see it being confusing when you yourself have no idea what the top of the phone would be considered.

So basically it was confusing in PR 1.0 because it didnt rely on application view, but phone orientation, and was limited to two sides of the phone (logoside and buttonside).

But its also confusing in PR 1.1 because it doesnt rely on application view, but phone orientation, and all sides are in effect (logoside, buttonside, blankside and speakerside).

Isnt it LESS confusing when the entire phone works like this than just buttonside and logoside?

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jakiman	2011-11-12 , 08:59
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Originally Posted by slai

It closed on physical orientation in PR 1.0 as well, but ONLY if the top was either Nokia logo side or button side (portrait top and landscape top). If you held an app that was pure landscape, like the Videos app, in a portrait grip, and slid your finger from the nokia logo and down, the app would close.

Are you sure? I now have had multiple people confirm that what you are saying was not the case with PR1.0. I wish I had another N9 to compare with but yeah, I am just trusting my memory and what other people with PR1.0 have confirmed me with right now.

e.g. Music app which is locked in portrait-only never closed before by sliding its side (physical top-down swipe) while held in landscape.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...815&p=69#r1363
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...815&p=69#r1365
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...815&p=69#r1368

So yeah, the behavior did change with PR1.1 and "for me" and for many others, it's worse. But I guess I'm the minority.