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2012-09-06
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Originally Posted by SD69
thanks Rob!
The new Council officially replaces the current council at the completion of the election although there is usually some delay and handover.
The Board being elected is for the new non-profit (that doesn't exist quite yet). So they don't start until there is an official meeting of the nonprofit at which each of the elected Board members formally accepts the position.
The council term is 6 months from the date of the election (although Nokia is likely to cut off before then - 12/31/2012). The Board's term is one year from whenever they take office. Despite being held at the same time, these elections are for different organizations and the overlap circumstantial (although it is my personal hope that the nonprofit can continue to use the community council body for facilitating maemo projects).
The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates.
sounds good to me
now to a more immediate but also important aspect of the election of the board (and, concurrently, the Council, of course).
for the Q2 election we introduced the "wiki page" format presentation / introduction for each candidate. that's all nice and dandy but leaves maybe too much latitude to the candidate and the voters with to many unanswered questions.
could we this time introduce a Q&A format, maybe a "mud thread" which would also put each and every candidate to the test of the daily churning of the Council activity (i.e. standing word and answer to the community on a thread)?
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2012-09-06
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Does anyone of the current council run again?
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2012-09-06
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Originally Posted by misterc
While I like the idea, we did have a Q&A on the wiki page last year, than anyone could have added to at any time. In fact, there were a couple of late questions, which most nominees (including all that were elected that cycle I believe) answered.
for the Q2 election we introduced the "wiki page" format presentation / introduction for each candidate. that's all nice and dandy but leaves maybe too much latitude to the candidate and the voters with to many unanswered questions.
could we this time introduce a Q&A format, maybe a "mud thread" which would also put each and every candidate to the test of the daily churning of the Council activity (i.e. standing word and answer to the community on a thread)?
There were also a number of questions asked in the main thread here, and on the mailing list that each candidate answered.
I would like to see the Q&A stuff on the wiki page again. I just want to make sure you're proposing something in addition to what was done last time, and not in replacement of it, as I think the last cycle the election went well and presented a lot of good information to those looking to vote.
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2012-09-06
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Originally Posted by Dave999
The structure of the Board to date is that of equals. The Board (by the current bylaws) may create a position of President, or Chairman, and appoint that title. But initially, there is no requirement to do so.
Will both the Board and the Council have a President?
The Council has traditionally had a Chairman, elected by the Council shortly after they are elected, who is responsible for a few things on top of normal Council duties. (Announcing elections, speaking on behalf of the Council when one voice is needed, etc.)
Originally Posted by vi_
I nominate the entire current council.
Originally Posted by Dave999
Hold your horses there buckaroos, nominations don't even start until the 15th (and must be made the mailing list). We needed to announce 30 days before the vote based on the election rules, which is what this announcement was (that and the scheduled alarm went off a week ago on my N900, and I'm tired of hitting snooze). I for one haven't even considered if I'll run again, as I've been quite busy with my current duties, job, and life. I suspect most of the current Council are in a similar state.
Does anyone of the current council run again?
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2012-09-07
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Although it has been clearly advised that any candidate can apply to both Council and Board, I'd like to share my personal opinion in this question.
Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations.
I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position.
Last edited by ivgalvez; 2012-09-07 at 07:20.
Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations.
I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position.
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2012-09-15
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Why does it have to be based on your maemo.org account and karma points...
How does the vote work?
Each member of maemo.org, who has an account that is more than 3 months old and who has earned over 10 "karma" points on that account, gets an electronic ballot. This election ballot is a pair of "single transferrable votes". Voters will rank their Council candidates in order of preference; understanding that if their top candidate cannot get elected with the votes they receive, the votes are redistributed by rank order until all five seats have been allocated. They will then be able to vote for Board members in the same manner as the Council election above, with the list of candidates running for that body.
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Why not just how long you've been rego'd at TMO & how many posts/thanks there?
Many users who've only come on board since Harmattan won't meet this requirement, even older members in some cases.
Seems a bit discriminatory.....
Originally Posted by SD69
Well we haven't had much "to & fro" in that thread yet, so I'd hope you wouldn't close-off the by-laws for review on the 17th.
The bylaws process is going on now through community review and will continue as long as needed. We will be working to have a much improved draft by Sept 17th so that it can serve as a reference point during the Board elections. If there is a provision of concern in the bylaws, then it should be debated in conjunction with the Board election and asked of the Board candidates rather than the Community Council candidates.
Also in the OP of this thread, it should be made clear exactly how many councilors & board members there will be, IIRC it was clarified in the by-laws thread.
Originally Posted by ivgalvez
I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.
Although it has been clearly advised that any candidate can apply to both Council and Board, I'd like to share my personal opinion in this question.
Council activities can be very time consuming and adding Board duties to that, could be a bit too much for most of the people (real life issues, work, etc). So I really think it would be better to have different people running for each position. That would also prevent that in case someone needs to step down from Maemo activities (for whatever reason) we would loose a member of both organisations.
I haven't decided myself if I will run again for Council or for Board, but unless we really need more candidates, I will only apply for one position.
(Assuming there's enough suitable runner-up candidates who can & want to step-up of course)
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.
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2012-09-15
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jalyst, you can actually link your TMO account to maemo account to get the thanks and posts counted into karma...
Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma...
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Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma...
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2012-09-15
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I vote for jalyst!
Most posts should be president.
Why use karma?
Most posts should be president.
Why use karma?
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2012-09-15
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
Well there you go, you learn something new every day, I never knew that, I'm amazed I've missed that over the years!
jalyst, you can actually link your TMO account to maemo account to get the thanks and posts counted into karma...
Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote...Then again I'm not too sure how the karma system works and why its given that importance so I rather not comment on the appropriateness of karma...
Still seems a bit cumbersome, leaves out way too many people who dont even know about it & probably should be part of the process etc.
But no doubt this has all been carefully considered, & this approach deemed the best option for a range of reasons...
Originally Posted by Dave999
I'm not running for either, zero interest, other than ensuring some decent users get into both roles.
I vote for jalyst!
Most posts should be president.
Why use karma?
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since Estel is down from the council i nominate Arie according to the last election result
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