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2016-03-03
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Originally Posted by sulu
The way I see it, if they count something I did not pay for as "sold" then yes, it is a problem. But theirs, not mine.
The problem with this is, that MS still counts this as a Windows licence being sold, regardless of whether I accept or decline the EULA.
I would just to put it on the record that I admire your moral integrity. And I envy you that you can afford to live by your ideology. I can't. I have kids to feed and a mortgage to pay. I have targets to deliver. I have to be more pragmatic about things.
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2016-03-03
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Those millions you're speaking of is nothing else than the sum of a lot of single people. I chose not to be one of them. Feel free to make a different choice!
I can't share this concern nor worry. Especially since the metrics for this is based in the millions and unfortunately the few that think as such make up not even a percent. Sad case, more should care - but I choose apathy.
Originally Posted by gerbick
When I tried the same thing with one device Dell told me, that there is no option in their software to unbundle the Windows license from the machine. They even offered me a discount for swallowing the licence, which I refused.
I remember back in 2010 - the process was not hard. You just had to ask for a Dell with the FreeDOS option (available since 2006 or so) and then your equipment would be registered differently in their system. That's how I did it when I was still doing global IT for a Fortune 500 company.
The case was settled at this point for me, but a week later the sales person got back to me, told me that he went to his superior who was somehow able to cheat the software.
In the end I got a device with FreeDOS and a hungarian Windows license on my bill, which wasn't shipped because it wasn't available in Germany.
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2016-03-03
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I didn't want to really participate in this stupid dinosaur discussion (*), but...
* I consider the discussion irrelevant because:
- Dinosaurism: MS is dead, get over it
- Did anyone check whether they actually plan to ship a Windows license? As Gerbick said, they're chinese manufacturers. They're either receiving money from MS, or they'll probably 'don't care' about licensing.
Originally Posted by pichlo
..... *rolls eyes*
And I envy you that you can afford to live by your ideology. I can't. I have kids to feed and a mortgage to pay. I have targets to deliver. I have to be more pragmatic about things.
* I consider the discussion irrelevant because:
- Dinosaurism: MS is dead, get over it
- Did anyone check whether they actually plan to ship a Windows license? As Gerbick said, they're chinese manufacturers. They're either receiving money from MS, or they'll probably 'don't care' about licensing.
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2016-03-03
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Originally Posted by pichlo
It becomes my problem if they use their false numbers to "prove" that people don't want anything else anyway, which in turn makes them limit my choices even further by using their market position.
The way I see it, if they count something I did not pay for as "sold" then yes, it is a problem. But theirs, not mine.
Originally Posted by javispedro
If they just don't care about the licenses and include them without Microsoft's consent I'd want to know, because rejecting these licenses out of principle on one hand and turning a blind eye on license violation on the other would make me a hypocrite.
As Gerbick said, they're chinese manufacturers. They're either receiving money from MS, or they'll probably 'don't care' about licensing.
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2016-03-03
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Originally Posted by sulu
Sorry, but I will not fight this kind of fight. It's not in my personal interest since I have readily accepted that my wants/needs/perspective is a minority. And thus, my impact is minimal until it no longer is minimal. My decisions to back Maemo, MeeGo, even Sailfish all support that I've decided to support projects that have (very) low sales but coincide with my wants/needs that mirror yours in some points.
Those millions you're speaking of is nothing else than the sum of a lot of single people. I chose not to be one of them. Feel free to make a different choice!
Simply stated: you have your choices, I have my own. I'm not imposing my choices on yours. Please do not do impose your choices on me. And to be clear, I do not think that you are imposing your choices on me whatsoever.
When I tried the same thing with one device Dell told me, that there is no option in their software to unbundle the Windows license from the machine. They even offered me a discount for swallowing the licence, which I refused.
In the end I got a device with FreeDOS and a hungarian Windows license on my bill, which wasn't shipped because it wasn't available in Germany.
Again... not being dismissive; I do wish you luck on your endeavors.
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2016-03-03
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Originally Posted by handaxe
Nope. After we battle over EULA's... up next will be distros, then kernels and finally the blood bath over which shell and text editor reigns supreme.
Lads, lads, LADS! Serenity now.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
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2016-03-04
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Originally Posted by gerbick
My reading lists,
Nope. After we battle over EULA's... up next will be distros, then kernels and finally the blood bath over which shell and text editor reigns supreme.
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
after I began to recognize the difference
between various personality disorders populating my social life,
has devolved to things like lists of old friends,
forgotten (Horrible) Bosses, and coyote morning escape therapy.
(Yes, I avoid rooms populated with mirrors.)
Anyways, keep going - we are still some distance from the Godwin Event Horizon.
As for Microsoft,
the day approaches when we will hear about a data breach
exposing squillions of user passwords,
all because the Win10 phone-the-mothership plan will get hacked.
After that their marketshare may no longer be dominant.
Now - back on topic:
The advertised release date for the GPD is October/November?
such a huge distance it is hard to justify getting too excited about.
In any case, that becomes
What's the best Handheld gnu/linux machine for 2017?
Our only real hope is that something in a pipeline pops up
like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ghlight=ubuntu
BTW, the best text editor is the one that comes with mc:
mcedit leaves both vi and emacs eating dust.
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2016-03-04
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Originally Posted by theonelaw
I asked
A reply to my query arrived from a GPD source,
just waiting for permission to pass it along.
Regarding the indiegogo project:
( https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a...ur-pocket--2#/ )
The form factor and other bits have gotten some attention over at TMO
( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=158 )
Whether to buy into this hinges on whether the firmware will be locked to Win10
or can we (independently and assuming no further warranty etc) install a linux system ?
If it is locked into being a WIndows machine then it is outside the scope of our search,
but
if it will be possible to install (from a usb disk or whatever) something like Debian
or some other actual linux distro this would raise a lot of interest.
There are quite a few of us who are still searching for a machine of this calibre
in the form factor your project advertises. Some of us have already spent quite
significant resources in the search for something of this nature..
Just asking, thanks for your reading time
and the reply:
Thanks so much for your kind concerns for GPD WIN.The system is not locked.you can install a linux system as long as you want and you can.And thanks so much for sharing this excited new and help us to let now people know this good device!!really thinks!!
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One fordevelopment testing Chopping Onions
One forsaltwater immersion power testing resurrected ! parts scavenging
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
Three n900s: One for stable working platform,
One for
One for
My Mods for Wonko's Advanced Clock Plugin:
ISO8601 clock mod and Momental_IST clock mod
Printing your Email with the N900
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I'm not demanding, I'm not complaining.
Your corner shop won't force that calculator on you, which you refuse to take just to throw it away because you don't want to pollute the environment needlessly.