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tortoisedoc is offline tortoisedoc
2013-09-07 , 15:58
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#191
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Remember, the reason why the Sony Playstation even exists today was because Nintendo (in the 90's) refused to make a CD system add-on for the Super Famicom/SNES or make a system based on disc games. Sony turned around and made their OWN Super Nintendo CD add-on for disc based games and then when they realized what they'd done, turned around and made their own game console BASED on discs--VOILA, the Playstation was born to compete with Nintendo. Nintendo was arrogant enough to stick to their cartridge-based guns, tried to scam Silicon Graphics Inc (SGI) to make a MIPS-based custom CPU/GPU chip for their new console and released the Nintendo 64... and proceeded to lose a LOT of money on each console while making it expensive and difficult to release the larger CD-based third-party games for it.

Basically, this isn't the first time Nintendo's nearly gone out of business because of their arrogance. Much like I'd been saying about Nokia for years: They aren't listening to their customers and giving them what they want. There's where Nokia and Nintendo are eerily repeating the same mistakes lately.

Funny, I do not know but do you also see any resemblance in Jolla / NOKIA story here?
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2013-09-07 , 18:44
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#192
Nokia was working on a tablet back in 2010 but elop killed at on day one he joined Nokia. i wonder what board of directors of Nokia were doing when Elop was killing Nokia.

http://mynokiablog.com/2013/09/06/in...he-became-ceo/
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2013-09-07 , 19:14
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#193
The last/only good phone manufacturer is dead. But, if I have understood good, Nokia keeps its patents and sells only the phone-making part of the company?
 
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2013-09-07 , 19:20
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#194
Originally Posted by panjgoori View Post
Nokia was working on a tablet back in 2010 but elop killed at on day one he joined Nokia. i wonder what board of directors of Nokia were doing when Elop was killing Nokia.

http://mynokiablog.com/2013/09/06/in...he-became-ceo/
What do you know about the tablet that tells us that the choice was wrong?
Samsung, that you could say it "quite" powerful at the moment said that it expects to sell under 1 million of its brand new Samsung Note 10.1's.
On the price category Nokia usually plays on a devices like tablets there's only one OS and brand that gathers everything. I honestly doubt Nokia's MeeGo or Windows tablet had made anything else than losses for the company.
Totally agree with Elop's choice.

Before somebody invents the tablet concept again, there's no point going against ipad on the +400 euros range.
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zimon is offline zimon
2013-09-07 , 21:26
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
The chart clearly shows: NOKIA was on a downward slope before Elop. He could not reverse the drop. Actually it was his predecessor that presided over the largest drop in value.
Not true. Nokia was making increasing profits before Elop started really his mole work as a Trojan Horse:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...far-worse.html

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...9f49eb2970c-pi

The stock share value was a different thing and was under manipulation by US funds (where NSA and Microsoft were behind)

Fidelity Magellan and other US funds cornered Nokia in the spring of 2010. Then in June Vanjoki was going to be the next CEO, but "the corner" forced Ollila to take Elop and Vanjoki was cancelled.

Then in the autumn of 2010, Magellan sold all its stocks away lowering the share price even lower helping Elop to reason Symbian and Meego must be killed and Nokia must start to be slave for Microsoft. (the diagram from Morningstar Direct)
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Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Not true. Nokia was making increasing profits before Elop started really his mole work as a Trojan Horse:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...far-worse.html

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...9f49eb2970c-pi

The stock share value was a different thing and was under manipulation by US funds (where NSA and Microsoft were behind)

Fidelity Magellan and other US funds cornered Nokia in the spring of 2010. Then in June Vanjoki was going to be the next CEO, but "the corner" forced Ollila to take Elop and Vanjoki was cancelled.

Then in the autumn of 2010, Magellan sold all its stocks away lowering the share price even lower helping Elop to reason Symbian and Meego must be killed and Nokia must start to be slave for Microsoft. (the diagram from Morningstar Direct)
Wow, we got a major conspiracy theory going on here. NSA and microsoft sabotaging NOKIA stock....its getting more ludicrous by the day. i gave you a comprehensive 10 year chart that shows decline since 2008, when Android and iOS were penetrating everywhere. Investors fled, and yes, he had to issue the memo to realign the dysfunctional divisions within devices and services arm. that is what you do. you tell everyone what the goal is where you need to go. no back stabbing.
 
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2013-09-07 , 23:20
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Trojans like Android/iOS/WP are their users' problem. We're thinking about FOSS solution with no Trojans built in into the drivers etc.
I hope Jolla gets it right, FOSS all the way, but if not, Replicant Android is the better way to get possibly NSA-free operating system:

http://replicant.us/

For example for Android Samsung Galaxy S3:
http://redmine.replicant.us/projects.../wiki/GalaxyS3

Only way to get NSA-free operating system, is to have 100% FOSS OS. Then there still is the hardware backdoors for NSA, but hopefully with a firewall settings those can be blocked.
 

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2013-09-08 , 07:41
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#198
Originally Posted by tortoisedoc View Post
Funny, I do not know but do you also see any resemblance in Jolla / NOKIA story here?
To be honest, I see far more parallels to this story in the Danger Inc-Microsoft story than I see in the Nokia-Jolla story.

Originally Posted by panjgoori View Post
Nokia was working on a tablet back in 2010 but elop killed at on day one he joined Nokia. i wonder what board of directors of Nokia were doing when Elop was killing Nokia.

http://mynokiablog.com/2013/09/06/in...he-became-ceo/
We're left only trying to imagine how things might have been conducted.

Originally Posted by zimon View Post
I hope Jolla gets it right, FOSS all the way, but if not, Replicant Android is the better way to get possibly NSA-free operating system:

http://replicant.us/

For example for Android Samsung Galaxy S3:
http://redmine.replicant.us/projects.../wiki/GalaxyS3

Only way to get NSA-free operating system, is to have 100% FOSS OS. Then there still is the hardware backdoors for NSA, but hopefully with a firewall settings those can be blocked.
You forgot services (Gmail, Maps, etc. Foursquare, your carrier's SMS and voicemails, etc.).
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2013-09-08 , 08:23
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc View Post
BB10 is not top notch, no issue there. And yes I have devved on it too. The only cool thing is that it has somewhat goot QT support (except QML).

Can you detail why you think N9 was a dead end?
for got sake STOP FEED THE TROLL!

he will never stop repeating same bull all the time so no point discuss
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2013-09-30 , 09:16
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So I'm guessing everything's been said on this, hmm?
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