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2008-11-02 , 21:27
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#191
Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
The only difference is that you can't simply fork OS2008 because of its closed components.
I might be wrong, but if you dislike the finger friendly Hildon (open source) and the RSS Feed Applet (open source) you only have to patch/fork those components or come up with alternatives to your taste...
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2008-11-02 , 21:28
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Originally Posted by lcuk View Post
I cannot shutoff my network at night when i'm going to bed, or alter the brightness so i can start reading without getting out the stylus.
That's the cruel revenge we, the stylus-people, take for the large menus.
Suffer!

(We don't even notice because we have the stylus in our hands whenever we use the tablet, anyway.)
 

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#193
benny, you are aware that I use my big fat finger friendly menus with my stylus aren't you?

Its so easy just flicking around and not having to aim or be precise at all and having full confidence that I hit a clean target every single time.

Its so much more relaxing and productive
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#194
Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Thanks for p*ssing me off on a Sunday.

<rant>It's thinking like this that gets people's a*ses kicked in the market place. The a*s kicking gets worse the higher up this position trickles down from. Way to follow and not lead. Please try harder 'cause you can bet others will be. This discussion is just beginning and you've already declared it over. We'll send you a postcard.</rant>
Netbooks are getting cheaper and cheaper. Touchscreen-based devices (using e.g. Linux) are getting more popular as well. So, innovate by differentiating, or die.

Want to stay niche? Cater to a few nerds...

Want to grow and stay alive? Adapt more to the wishes of the masses. This means a user-friendlier, more usable design. It includes finger-based touchscreen, it includes HS*PA, and it includes some proprietary software. Its possible you don't like some of these changes. You can hack around many of the software parts because its open source (chances are the device is by default aimed to be user friendly but can be heavily modified) or if you don't like that it comes with HS*PA chip you can go buy a Pandora.
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#195
Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
It's odd that the bit you quoted seems the least contentious bit of ragnar's post: doing more work costs more. Or do you have an idea for a single UI which will meet all the requirements?
Unless you're doing it wrong, the cost diminishes quickly over time. It can almost be thought of as a one time cost. Anyway, the onus is on ragnar who said, "It is not possible as a system-wide issue to design UI's for all the applications that would be 'optimal' for both stylus and the finger at the same time..."

And since I responded to ragnar's generalization, I will also respond to ragnar's specifics.
 
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Unless you're doing it wrong, the cost diminishes quickly over time. It can almost be thought of as a one time cost.
Ok well, there are 2 RSS applets. One for finger (default) and one for stylus (port found somewhere on this forum). How does the NIT know which one is to be shown? Sensor in the holder of the stylus?
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#197
We have working applications now already build and doing a job.
Is it really double the effort to produce a new front end for those existing applications whilst also keeping those existing applications basically untouched?

Is the n900 going to be so radical that existing applications simply vanish from the face of the earth?
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Why can't the "N900" be it? You don't like the UI, change it. If you'd prefer LXDE, KDE, WindowMaker, FluxBox, install it over the top. Nokia have committed to differentiating themselves at the "upper" levels of the stack, and opening as much as possible of the lower levels.
The N900 could be it, but how much different will it be from N8xx? Yes and no as to changing the UI. There's been talk that the next UI could take the D-pad and other hw keys away. Sorry, but if they do, you can't put them back in.

Personally, I'm confident that Maemo 5 (incl. the next generation of Hildon) will be the best UI available for my use cases. YMMV.[/
You can have faith but you can't be confident. We don't even know for sure what next Hildon will be.
 
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Ok well, there are 2 RSS applets. One for finger (default) and one for stylus (port found somewhere on this forum). How does the NIT know which one is to be shown? Sensor in the holder of the stylus?
how about simple user choice.
Even microsoft have a list for preferred applications.
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Major question (extension to my recent post)

Are existing applications written for hildon currently just going to stop working?

Will everything need major surgery to work in the new OS?

Or are we getting a menu system for the front end as well as a compositing window manager?
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