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#191
Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
You missed the context. The original claim was "If it's finger-usable, it's stylus-usable" and was not referring to either Fremantle nor a particular device. I was disputing the claim that's the case in *ALL* implementations.
In the context of Maemo and the RX-51, that claim is correct.

Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
Also, given the repeated finger oriented statements, I believe it's just as speculative to assume no maemo device will sport a capacitive screen as to assume they won't. Again, we're not talking about RX-51.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that it wont be in this generation. Which is the generation we're talking about. Future generations don't fit the topic of "Fremantle", and are outside the scope of this thread.
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#192
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
In the context of Maemo and the RX-51, that claim is correct.
It's not about how big your context is, but how you use it. (that's a joke there)

I think it's pretty safe to assume that it wont be in this generation.
What do you base this assumption on ? More devices have been hinted, and Nokia is not any more the sole manufacturer of hardware that has been demostrated with maemo and available to the general public. I can, for example fully envision one Fremantle device shipped with resistive screen and a stylus, and another one with a capacitive screen without an included stylus, if the opening presentation is right about the stylus being optional for the UI.
 
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#193
Why not leave the whole thing as is? Most applications "main window" are using finger-able elements, like big toolbar buttons, fat scrollbars, etc. Most secondary "utility dialogs" are using small widgets, usable only with a stylus.

When the PalmOS was designed, Palm knew the average user would not even know what the hardware menu key is for. Even then, the bundled applications were designed so that the user could access around 10% of the functionality -- the most used features.
Advanced users would knew about the menu key, and use it to gain access to the other 90% of functionality.

I think that Maemo should fully go that way. Applications should be designed so that, using one's finger, one should be able to access 10% most used features of the application: opening, reading, searching, maybe deleting/archiving.
Users requiring more functionality can take out the stylus and fiddle with the device menus, and settings dialogs.

I just can't imagine an XMMP/POP3 advanced settings dialog "finger-friendly". I CAN imagine, though, a finger-friendly "mail account wizard" that will fulfill most requeriments of 90% of the users.

Sorry if this message din't make any sense.
 
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#194
I respect that you guys can't answer any hardware questions. But how about one last simple software question:

Will any official Nokia release of Maemo 5 contain a non-fullscreen, virtual stylus keyboard?
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#195
Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Will any official Nokia release of Maemo 5 contain a non-fullscreen, virtual stylus keyboard?
You can't answer this one yourself from the presentation?
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#196
The virtual keyboard used until Diablo for stylus use has been dropped in Fremantle, as said in the alpha SDK documentation. I have linked to it when answering your previous questions. Full screen finger friendly keyboard is the one and only virtual keyboard we are developing.

Hildon Input Method allows third parties to develop and offer own alternatives.
 

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#197
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
You can't answer this one yourself from the presentation?
It's common for the state of shock to cause disbelief.
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#198
Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
Well, whatever Nokia does, I hope it's something that the market wants. I've just read that their Q1 profits are down 90% from this time last year.
I'd rather hope it's something I want.
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
I'd rather hope it's something I want.
I *like* the tablets. I think it's a wonderful innovation. I would rather Nokia satisfy the market, and thus ensure the future of the tablet, even if certain decisions are counter to my wants. Wouldn't you?


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#200
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
The virtual keyboard used until Diablo for stylus use has been dropped in Fremantle
Sounds to me like it should be called Dismantle. :-/
 
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