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2009-11-07
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Which is only about enforcement against dishonest people.
That's why it's relevant. Because if they can't differentiate who's tethering with the n900 (because like I pointed out, the other phones can't do what the n900 can do) and who is simply using the n900 heavily
Which, as I already said, is not the totality of the discussion.
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2009-11-07
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The original poster's point is that N900 hardware is about the same as the best Android devices, not better any more.
There may be similarities hardware wise but just to give one example - I do not know any other smartphones than those from Nokia offering multislot class 32 GRPS. And the N900 10 MB/s UMTS is not found often either...
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2009-11-07
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Originally Posted by SD69
Yes. There is NOTHING in the EM+ plan that says it's ok to use your data plan with anything other than the device that has your plan's SIM card inserted into it. Nor does it say anything specifically to contradict/set-aside/exempt the T&C/TOS explicit statement about tethering.
No, they're equipment agnostic in as much as you can use them with any device you want.
Have you read the Even More plans?
And, the T&C/TOS, still clearly state:
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.
The only wiggle room is: whether or not you could get a lawyer to make it stick, in court, that "on your device" doesn't specify "on your directly serviced by T-Mobile, with your T-Mobile SIM card inserted into it, device". It's POSSIBLE to make that stick, but I'm willing to bet on T-Mobile's lawyers in that one. The spirit of it is clearly aimed against tethering, as explained just one sentence later.
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There is NOTHING in the EM+ plan that says it's ok to use your data plan with anything other than the device that has your plan's SIM card inserted into it.
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.
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2009-11-07
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Originally Posted by SD69
The EM+ plan is the one that has some degree of hardware agnosticism. The EM plan does not, as far as I know.
I asked about the Even More plan, not the EM+ plan.
You can't reach a conclusion about the Even More plan until you've read the Even More data plan.
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Me show you?? You're the one asserting that T-Mobile doesn't allow tethering. You're the one asserting that, despite the plan that allows you to use any device you want, you can't tether to any device you want.
Ok, so, show me where/how it allows tethering.
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Originally Posted by SD69
I've shown you the only terms and conditions I can find that covers their plans, and how it states that tethering isn't allowed. You've counter-asserted that their EM plan allows this. I'm saying "back up your counter-assertion: show me".
Me show you?? You're the one asserting that T-Mobile doesn't allow tethering. You're the one asserting that, despite the plan that allows you to use any device you want, you can't tether to any device you want.
I've backed up my statement. You back up yours.
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You've counter-asserted that their EM plan allows this.
I've backed up my statement.
tethering is prohibited unless the data plan permits it.
But then you don't provide the data plan.
Poor backup.
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2009-11-08
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Originally Posted by SD69
Because no such "allows tethering" data plan exists. Yet you seem to be pretty sure, by way of repeating its name over and over again, that Even More's data plan allows tethering. If you're just shooting in the dark, then say so. But if you actually know that the plan does allow it, then lets see it.
tethering is prohibited unless the data plan permits it.
But then you don't provide the data plan.
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