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	fnordianslip	2009-12-16 , 16:59
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy

I agree.

Anyway, the problem is with general attitude on these forums not the phone itself. The device has lots of issues that have been pointed out over and over again and yet some posters insist that their devices work as advertised and that we should sell the phones because they are not for us. I guess Nokia made this phone for the 5 people who are worthy enough to be on this forum? What kinda geeky and idiotic attitude is that...

I couldn't care less about anyone's contributions here and you know why?

- because bluetooth doesn't work at the same time as wifi
- because I don't know what number a contact called me from
- because my music sounds crappy every day because there is no equalizer
- because the phone app switches between portrait/landscape like a maniac when I take the phone away from my ear to look at the screen
- because the widgets provided basically do nothing
- because it takes me 5 minutes to actually read an email on the phone
- because sometimes the phone fails to reacquire signal for like 10 mins

I think the future is very clear and doubt there is any debate over that:

- App stores
- Professionally developed, paid for apps
- Excellent user experience

This is where everyone else is headed and Nokia is getting on board as well. The days where it was exciting to simply RD to your home computer was cool are gone forever. Nowadays it has to be possible and work perfectly. Not only that but it has to be aesthetically pleasing as well. It doesn't matter what command line tool you might have ported or might be working perfectly. We're not in the 80's. If you guys don't get that then you have lost touch with reality.

Look, this is a community forum. It has typically consisted of people who care about the platform. Its not a Nokia complaints forum. If you don't like it go somewhere else and leave us to get on with it. Nothing good is going to come out of you staying here.

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LouisLoh	2009-12-16 , 17:03
Posts: 30 \| Thanked: 19 times \| Joined on Sep 2009 @ Singapore	#192

If you care about the platform, you should be more concerned about the complaints about rather than praises of the device!

Not siding with the tactlessness that some of you have rightly pointed out.

	fnordianslip	2009-12-16 , 17:12
	Posts: 670 \| Thanked: 359 times \| Joined on May 2007	#193

Originally Posted by LouisLoh

If you care about the platform, you should be more concerned about the complaints about rather than praises of the device!

Not siding with the tactlessness that some of you have rightly pointed out.

I don't care about whining though. Reading this is like serving dinner to guests and having them complain about the food.

Not that I've been a particularly useful contributor to the community, myself, I'll admit, but those who really do contribute a great deal tend to avoid this place now, as it's full of whiners who contribute nothing, and spread negative vibes around.

I'm sure there's other places for some of you to hang out - maemo freak, or whatever. When you're interested in what the community does here, then come back and have a look.

IWantToMarryTheN900	2009-12-16 , 17:17
Posts: 80 \| Thanked: 50 times \| Joined on Oct 2009 @ Philadelphia, PA	#194

Originally Posted by Megacrazy

I agree.

Anyway, the problem is with general attitude on these forums not the phone itself. The device has lots of issues that have been pointed out over and over again and yet some posters insist that their devices work as advertised and that we should sell the phones because they are not for us. I guess Nokia made this phone for the 5 people who are worthy enough to be on this forum? What kinda geeky and idiotic attitude is that...

I couldn't care less about anyone's contributions here and you know why?

- because bluetooth doesn't work at the same time as wifi
- because I don't know what number a contact called me from
- because my music sounds crappy every day because there is no equalizer
- because the phone app switches between portrait/landscape like a maniac when I take the phone away from my ear to look at the screen
- because the widgets provided basically do nothing
- because it takes me 5 minutes to actually read an email on the phone
- because sometimes the phone fails to reacquire signal for like 10 mins

I think the future is very clear and doubt there is any debate over that:

- App stores
- Professionally developed, paid for apps
- Excellent user experience

This is where everyone else is headed and Nokia is getting on board as well. The days where it was exciting to simply RD to your home computer was cool are gone forever. Nowadays it has to be possible and work perfectly. Not only that but it has to be aesthetically pleasing as well. It doesn't matter what command line tool you might have ported or might be working perfectly. We're not in the 80's. If you guys don't get that then you have lost touch with reality.

I understand (and agree with) many of the points you are making here. However, all the evidence points to the fact that, at this point in time in the early life of the N900, this isn't the device for you. If I didn't love my N900, I would sell it and move on - what's the point of *****ing about it on a forum? Enter bug/feature requests and wait. You could easily recoup, or come close to recouping, what you paid for it, I'm sure.

I would love to hear from you why you continue to be a martyr and nuisance. What drives you (and others) to continuously post on forums when everyone has begged you to the sell phone and move on (or back) to an iPhone. Please explain this to me, as I can't fathom wasting this much of my life complaining about a piece of electronics.

	daperl	2009-12-16 , 17:20
	Posts: 2,427 \| Thanked: 2,986 times \| Joined on Dec 2007	#195

Originally Posted by LouisLoh

If you care about the platform, you should be more concerned about the complaints about rather than praises of the device!

Try not to confuse the issue please. We're concerned about problems. But when the complaints are trolling, nonconstructive comparisons to platforms we care less about here, we're more annoyed than concerned. Do you get that? If not, I'm happy to say it again if you'd like.

And if it helps with perspective, I say this as a happy iPod touch owner.

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	Texrat	2009-12-16 , 17:24
	Posts: 11,700 \| Thanked: 10,045 times \| Joined on Jun 2006 @ North Texas, USA	#196

Originally Posted by Megacrazy

Anyway, the problem is with general attitude on these forums not the phone itself. The device has lots of issues that have been pointed out over and over again and yet some posters insist that their devices work as advertised and that we should sell the phones because they are not for us. I guess Nokia made this phone for the 5 people who are worthy enough to be on this forum? What kinda geeky and idiotic attitude is that...

Those remarks speak to a persistent delusion on your part. There is nothing at all wrong with the "general attitude" of this forum.

In fact this forum was on a nice keel before you and a handful of others dropped in.

When one person says things don't work, and another says they do, that isn't a slam on one from the other. It isn't arrogance. It isn't geeky, and it most certainly isn't idiotic.

Those are naive, sophomoric assessments of what's going on.

What the difference in experiences actually speaks to is the complexity of troubleshooting (I'm omitting the matter of expectations because it's too subjective). It reflects the reality that there are likely far too many variables for chat forum detective work to adequately handle-- especially when the complainant acts as you choose to.

But instead of considering that reality, you and a few other malcontents prefer ranting at anyone who dares be satisfied with their personal experience-- while hypocritically lauding only those who have similar issues as yourself.

No one is arbitrarily dismissing the unfortunate aspects of your experience-- but many are rightfully castigating you over your snide, sarcastic, hateful, tantrum-throwing approach to problem resolution. You have demonstrated in post after post that you have absolutely no interest in constructive criticism or anything remotely resembling product improvement.

You are here to groan, gripe and flame. That is all you do.

Grow up a little, and you just might see the responses to your issues change. But you seem to be comfortable in the sociopathic approach so I'm sure this post is just a piss in the wind. I don't believe you are capable of seeing yourself.

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	Texrat	2009-12-16 , 17:31
	Posts: 11,700 \| Thanked: 10,045 times \| Joined on Jun 2006 @ North Texas, USA	#197

Originally Posted by LouisLoh

If you care about the platform, you should be more concerned about the complaints about rather than praises of the device!

Not siding with the tactlessness that some of you have rightly pointed out.

Mature, responsible people separate the personality from the problem, Louis.

Flamers do not. But in their case, personality IS the problem.

I have zero problems with the expression of complaints in and of themselves. As you correctly point out, that's a necessary component of problem solving, and Nokia would be ill-served by cultivating a community of "yes men".

What ISN'T necessary, nor productive, is the sort of approach chosen by a very small but disproportionately vocal minority who expresses no interest whatseover with improving the products in question but determined to poison the experience for others.

So yes to constructive criticism. Bring it on. Please.

No to trolling, hatemongering, disingenuous analogies and virtual molotov cocktails.

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Last edited by Texrat; 2009-12-16 at 17:38.

	daperl	2009-12-16 , 17:43
	Posts: 2,427 \| Thanked: 2,986 times \| Joined on Dec 2007	#198

Originally Posted by Texrat

So yes to constructive criticism. Bring it on. Please.

No to trolling, hatemongering, disingenuous analogies and virtual molotov cocktails.

I like that. If you shorten it, I think you have a bumper sticker.

"troll Less, contribute More"

"socks Before shoes"

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	aironeous	2009-12-16 , 17:47
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DaveP1	2009-12-16 , 22:12
Posts: 607 \| Thanked: 450 times \| Joined on Sep 2009 @ Washington, DC	#200

Originally Posted by daperl

I like that. If you shorten it, I think you have a bumper sticker.

"troll Less, contribute More"

"socks Before shoes"

Troll less is devoutly to be wished for. Troll-less would be even better but I've never seen it.

OTOH, you can't expect the average N900 user to contribute anything beyond questions and comments at this point. In the old days (the summer of 2009), I would not have been surprised to find that developers outnumbered N8xx users on this forum. With the shipping of the N900, I would guess developers are in the minority and their percentage is going down rapidly.

It doesn't help that outside the developer community Nokia is advertising shoes and delivering socks. Most of the people who bought the N900 have never heard of Nokia's five step program.