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#191
Originally Posted by number41 View Post
Arguing against open source using a mostly closed-source example won't take you very far, you know...

The N900 could have something much bigger than it is if only 100% of it's software and drivers were available. Suuure, some other evil small-time asian company could come around and put the whole suite into a cheap device and sell nokia's hard work around their market for little to no cost...

Oh, but then Maemo would spread around like wild-fire, there would be like a frakkload of "ApPs" floating around, enough to truly call it a plague. You know, Maemo'd probably be everywhere, and an, what's the name of that thing again... Oh! ecosystem would like blossom out of it.

Dude, seriously, how could that hurt someone? In fact, there's even a certain "Big Two" company that has done something very similar...

So, I'm trying hard to see open-source not working... All I'm seeing is a short-sighted company.
they wouldn't even have had to release the whole source code.
several companies (LG among others...) nearly begged NOK to partner on Maemo...
 

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#192
Originally Posted by number41 View Post
Arguing against open source using a mostly closed-source example won't take you very far, you know...
Well, we can, for the sake of argument, move over to desktop OS. MS is closed, administered by idiots (Elop kind of idiots), Windows is made by less intelligent beings with no clue how to make really GOOD software - and so on. Guess what MS rules the desktop. What about Linux. There are as many Linux distros as there are Linux dudes, and they are equally useless compared to Windows. Yes, you can browse the web with Linux, and you can read your e-mail, but it stops there. If browsing the web and reading e-mails is all you need, a trouble free tablet is a better choice, and I have at least 99% of the entire population with me on this.
 
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Considering that I wasn't talking about Maemo, all of this is beside the point. As others have said, Meego != Maemo.
and what is MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan?
more open source then MeeGo i take it?
 

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Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
Linus Torvalds would have a bone to pick with that.
Doubtful. There's closed source modules (binary blobs) in the Linux kernel.

Also, I'd argue that MeeGo isn't any more "pure open source" than Android. The only difference is that we get to see how the sausage gets made, which isn't always pretty.
Glad you said MeeGo. Maemo isn't all that fully open. For instance, try getting the source for the Swipe UI. Won't happen.
 

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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Well, we can, for the sake of argument, move over to desktop OS. MS is closed, administered by idiots (Elop kind of idiots), Windows is made by less intelligent beings with no clue how to make really GOOD software - and so on. Guess what MS rules the desktop. What about Linux. There are as many Linux distros as there are Linux dudes, and they are equally useless compared to Windows. Yes, you can browse the web with Linux, and you can read your e-mail, but it stops there. If browsing the web and reading e-mails is all you need, a trouble free tablet is a better choice, and I have at least 99% of the entire population with me on this.
i suspect you have anywhere between 10 and 20% of the population AGAINST you.
those ppl who are tired of having to pay for the m$ crap when they buy a PC or laptop even though the 1st thing they do when they get it home is installing GNU/Linux on it.

EDIT: but to pick up on your point; yes, small laptots or tablets that run MeeGo would definitely be a thorn in m$'s big toe ¦-)))))))

already explained that @ length
m@ke$$h!t only got a shot @ the PC market because IBM didn't have an OS ready for the PC (XT, AT, aso...). so, 'til they would have OS/2 ready, they thought they'd use m$ for a while.
maybe they didn't even think about making an OS of their own for PCs (...) 'til the whole industry was making them.
and then, obviously, it was too late.

for over 15 years, well into the 90s, Novell and IBM were dominating the network (management) market.
M$-NET was nothing but a rework of NetBIOS and was dwarfed by competitors solutions well into the 21st century.
long story, short point; again, m$ took ages to copy or to hire out ppl to do stuff others had been doing for ages.

as system & network admins are lazy (like everybody) about ten yrs ago they ended up using the features THEY HAD TO PAY FOR ANYWAY and that came with the servers and workstations and thus m$ became a standard.
this has nothing to do w/ the quality of their products.

the lamentable story of LostDOS immobilized / paralysed is simply the continuation of that;


most likely, they'd also like NOKIA to fix the SW for them ¦-))))))))))))))))))))))
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Originally Posted by misterc View Post
they wouldn't even have had to release the whole source code.
several companies (LG among others...) nearly begged NOK to partner on Maemo...
I wasn't aware of that one, this sure makes the current situation look even worst.

Sure, we can't comment on the specifics of the deal, but still... Nokia really looks like as though playing its cards against itself...

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Well, we can, for the sake of argument, move over to desktop OS. MS is closed, administered by idiots (Elop kind of idiots), Windows is made by less intelligent beings with no clue how to make really GOOD software - and so on. Guess what MS rules the desktop. What about Linux. There are as many Linux distros as there are Linux dudes, and they are equally useless compared to Windows. Yes, you can browse the web with Linux, and you can read your e-mail, but it stops there. If browsing the web and reading e-mails is all you need, a trouble free tablet is a better choice, and I have at least 99% of the entire population with me on this.
I'd say it's a market thing. Selling the best product for the lowest possible price is often a sugar-coated way of saying "Selling the worst possible sh*t for the highest possible price". As long as the market isn't rejecting it, why bother innovating and competing against oneself? Keep the fecal matter flowing, the cash coming, and everybody will be happy, right? Not that there aren't limits with that, as Vista managed to prove.

The thing is that, while M$ does produce OSs, their greatest selling point is the "ecosystem" around the thing, which carries a lot of appealing software, to the masses, at least. In the server area you don't get the same results, for instance, and it's the same for audio and graphic manipulation.

In the end we get a chicken and egg thing... Linux is safer, far more stable, and well, free... Why doesn't it take off? Simple, it might be tough running Crysys 2, Dragon Age, whatnot in it.

On a sidenote... Really, Windoze might not be open-source, but on the consumer market, it's nearly free. I've honestly only seem people paying for XP and Vista on laptops, and that's because they'll pay for it whether they like it or not. On desktops, in 11/10 cases you have a pirated windows copy.

M$ knows this, and it's part of its strategy. Linux is free, but so is Windows, in the consumer market (the office and corporate markets are entirely different animals). No wonder this thing has such market penetration...
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Will be fun to read this thread in a year or so...
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#198
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Will be fun to read this thread in a year or so...
who will pay for the Maemo.org infrastructure in a year?
 

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#199
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who will pay for the Maemo.org infrastructure in a year?
Me. ..........

EDIT: ment Ms
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your point being?
only about a hundred posts ago you were the one advocating that Symbian had to go down the drain to make room for m$ crap...
changed your mind?
MeeGo must go down the drain. Symbian will never be developed fast enough for high end devices to compete with twin core 1.5 GHz android slabs, WP will. Therefore a change of direction is needed, and has been effectuated.

What we have is:
WP + Nokia = cool ecosystem, cool devices, cool OS for high end, future proof.
Symbian + Nokia = cool OS subcontracted to accenture, cool devices. Uncertain future, but as long as there is demand and WP isn't pushed down to lower end...
Harmattan = question mark, but will provide synergy with Symbian.
S40 = Future proof, cheap devices, web apps, next billion and so on.

My point is this: WP is high end and it will take several years before WP is pushed down to mid end (as stated by Elop). Therefore, nothing is better for Nokia right now, than Symbian doing well. I'm happy, my E6 is happy.
 
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