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#1991
Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
That's why in the non-embedded world we have installers.

An installer is usually a fairly minimal image you will boot on the hardware that runs an installer software that sets up your storage and installs the system - generally either from local repositories on the media or from repositories available over the network.
Actually, not exactly with OpenSUSE's since some recent versions of YaST (and since very recently Windows' installer too).

For openSUSE their automatic building system (OBS for the RPMs themselves, and Kiwi for the images out of those RPMs) can automatically build a bunch of pre-installed image.

To speed things up, once you've selected all the installation options, instead of installing every single RPM one by one YaST will check whether it might have a ready to use image which contain most of the base stuff, and then only install one-by-one the extra RPMs not covered by the base image.


(Since very recently, Microsoft Windows' installer also attempts the same. Except they have only 1 single WIM image, and you don't get to select anything, so you can further automatically customize the base image, you need to use the control pannel to remove/add component. So: ...meh...)

(Some Ubuntu specialist should come and coment whether they are also implementing something similar).

Since the development of BTRFS, its "seed partition" feature should make it extremely trivial to on-the-flight deploy such an image to the installation target while the system is hot.

But since RedHat dropped BTRFS, Suse is propbably the only ones likely to attempt this.



Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
This has a range of benefits, such as being able to setup storage and other aspects of the installed systems to your liking & to best fit the given device.
I'm just mentally picturing a full blown GParted-style / Yast storage / and "whatever it was called in Anaconda" storage manager running inside the tiny screen of a 4.5"-5" smartphone.

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Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
Also you don't need to maintain a specific installation image for each piece of hardware, just single installer image for a wide range of hardware.
Sadly, that's a stupid limitation of ARM : most devices don't feature any automatic peripheral discovery.
You need to hardcode the device tree inside the device-specific kernel.

But it would be cool to imagine a USB-OTG Sailfish installation bootdisk.

Or an installer that you launch on the phone over the USB by using "fastboot boot installer.img" (i.e.: an actual touch GUI bolted on top of the recovery image).
 

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There we go their making a good progress
 

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#1993
Originally Posted by lancewex View Post
You can use Dolphin or Opera APKs also on Sailfish. Are those not up to your standards? You spend enough time here that I am sure you should have been prepared for the shortcomings of SFOS, and known that some adjustments would have to be made. Why do you seem surprised? I am finding my own short-comings (copy and paste, MMS on U.S. T-mobile, bare-bones email client), but so far am warming to it. I am giving and much, much more time.
I've got a solution for your MMS on U.S. T-mobile if you're still fighting that. I'm in Chicago, official Sailfish X, MMS works flawlessly. Let me know if you need more details.
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Originally Posted by deprecated View Post
I've got a solution for your MMS on U.S. T-mobile if you're still fighting that. I'm in Chicago, official Sailfish X, MMS works flawlessly. Let me know if you need more details.
Does group SMS/MMS work for you also?
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Originally Posted by deprecated View Post
I've got a solution for your MMS on U.S. T-mobile if you're still fighting that. I'm in Chicago, official Sailfish X, MMS works flawlessly. Let me know if you need more details.
I'd love to know what works for you. SMS works fine, but MMS just hangs.

Another question: is it SFOS or the Xperia that requires a reboot if you remove the sim while booted up? Also: anyone have problems booting while a microSD is in the tray? My Xperia will only give the white SONY screen and do nothing else if the microSD is in the tray. Could it be due to the formatting of the card? Even though it works if I insert after booting (but then the sim won't work, and I can't reboot...).
 

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Originally Posted by lancewex View Post
I'd love to know what works for you. SMS works fine, but MMS just hangs.

Another question: is it SFOS or the Xperia that requires a reboot if you remove the sim while booted up? Also: anyone have problems booting while a microSD is in the tray? My Xperia will only give the white SONY screen and do nothing else if the microSD is in the tray. Could it be due to the formatting of the card? Even though it works if I insert after booting (but then the sim won't work, and I can't reboot...).
I still haven't put sailfish on my Xperia so I just tested removing the SIM tray while running android. This caused a reboot so I'm going to say it's the phone not sailfish.
 

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Originally Posted by DrYak View Post
I'm just mentally picturing a full blown GParted-style / Yast storage / and "whatever it was called in Anaconda" storage manager running inside the tiny screen of a 4.5"-5" smartphone.
Actually, at least Anaconda has a pretty powerful auto-partitioning support. You basically tell it a set of constraints, such as:
- create all platform specific boot partitions
- home & root need to be at least this big
- create swap if appropriate
- check if the software selection will likely fit on root
It then creates a partition layout/LVM on empty (or reclaimed) space fitting these constraints. Or detects the constrains can't be met and aborts the installation with corresponding error message.

Like this you make use of all available space & have a storage layout fitting to a concrete device without the need of a user to manually specify partitioning.

Originally Posted by DrYak View Post
Sadly, that's a stupid limitation of ARM : most devices don't feature any automatic peripheral discovery.
You need to hardcode the device tree inside the device-specific kernel.
Indeed, and that really doesn't scale - imagine if you needed a special & pretty different installation image for each laptop & even it's individual revisions (like for Xperia X single sim/dual sim/compact/etc.)!

Thankfully at least in the 64-bit ARM server space there is the SBSA initiative, which basically mandates that compliant hardware needs to have a working UEFI firmware, which makes it possible to do hardware introspection at runtime, like we have on PCs with BIOS/UEFI. This makes unified installation images possible & you no longer need to bring up low level hardware as the UEQFI firmware will take care of that for you.
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Originally Posted by lancewex View Post
I'd love to know what works for you. SMS works fine, but MMS just hangs.

Another question: is it SFOS or the Xperia that requires a reboot if you remove the sim while booted up? Also: anyone have problems booting while a microSD is in the tray? My Xperia will only give the white SONY screen and do nothing else if the microSD is in the tray. Could it be due to the formatting of the card? Even though it works if I insert after booting (but then the sim won't work, and I can't reboot...).
Sending/receiving picture mms works reliably. Receiving group mms works too. However, there is no way to send or reply to group mms. Also, many (all?) of us aren't able to send/receive mms while connected to wifi. Do the Europeans here have the same problem?

You can find more details in this discussion

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=99925
 

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Originally Posted by alphatool View Post
I still haven't put sailfish on my Xperia so I just tested removing the SIM tray while running android. This caused a reboot so I'm going to say it's the phone not sailfish.
Thanks for that. My Blackberry doesn't blink if you remove and replace a sim or microsd while it's running. So I was surprised.
 

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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
She has an Android 5.1 tablet . The 2.3 is a phone and yes, it is about replacing it.



Yes, I was thinking about the rose gold. But not X, it is waaaay too large. X Compact is better but she does not like the square edges. I am considering Z1 Compact or a different make altogether.

Would Sail work on Z1 Compact? If there is even a slight chance that it might then I may consider getting one for myself too.
If it is for your daughter and you have no intention of running Sailfish on it, rather stay away from Xperia. They are mostly junk devices that are over-priced and have potato cameras.
 

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