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Originally Posted by jalyst
no, because Fremantle and Harmattan aren't binary compatible (softfp/hardfp). the N900's flash plugin won't work, even if fennec's plugin API might support it.
The N900 NPAPI plugin could be ported to fennec*, & then a harmattan twkflash could be made for the N9.
(btw, none of us can "port" a closed binary. we can only copy it, but it simply won't run.)
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2011-07-11
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Does anyone know whether the 25sec pausing stuff in the recently leaked version is a bug or a feature (ie intentional)?
I loaded it into IDA 6.1 and it does a lot of stuff different than the previous leak as far as i can tell.
i'd pretty happy with it if i could kill that 25sec limit (works well at 1ghz)...i'm looking into it but don't hold your breath, my reverse engineering roots are win32 driver stuff, so I'm not really at home
I loaded it into IDA 6.1 and it does a lot of stuff different than the previous leak as far as i can tell.
i'd pretty happy with it if i could kill that 25sec limit (works well at 1ghz)...i'm looking into it but don't hold your breath, my reverse engineering roots are win32 driver stuff, so I'm not really at home
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2011-07-11
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Originally Posted by SubCore
3) Adobe's binary on Harmattan would almost certainly be signed, which means if tweakflash touches it, it would no longer load, rendering the whole approach useless.
1) attila is the author of tweakflash.
2) tweakflash modifies the already available flash plugin for maemo 5. since there won't be a plugin shipped with harmattan, there won't be any tweakflash for harmattan. simple.
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by SubCore
Sorry I meant "use", not "port".
no, because Fremantle and Harmattan aren't binary compatible (softfp/hardfp). the N900's flash plugin won't work, even if fennec's plugin API might support it.
(btw, none of us can "port" a closed binary. we can only copy it, but it simply won't run.)
Ah of course, I forgot about the new ARM optimisations that've been done for harmatten.
Perhaps there's some way we can disassemble the flash binary & recompile for hardfp?
Wishful thinking I know, but one can dream...
Or just get the binary re-licensed to be used on n9, & hence properly recompiled for harmattan!
It's an ancient version of flash, so I can't imagine adobe asking for much!?!
Originally Posted by attila77
Did you have this same issue with adobe's binary on fremantle?
3) Adobe's binary on Harmattan would almost certainly be signed, which means if tweakflash touches it, it would no longer load, rendering the whole approach useless.
Or did adobe not sign their binary?
Why not, & why would they do it for a harmattan binary?
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Maemo 5 does not support DRM, whereas Harmattan does. There will be an "official" DRM-enabled mode, for which adobe's binary would need to be signed, and a developer, DRM-disabled mode, in which none of the signed binaries will run. missing DRM was a major reason why many software houses didn't release apps for Maemo 5.
Did you have this same issue with adobe's binary on fremantle?
Or did adobe not sign their binary?
Why not, & why would they do it for a harmattan binary?
AFAIK, it's a one way ticket - once you change the N9 into developer mode, you won't be able to reenable DRM ever again.
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2011-07-13
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Ever again? At least flashing the original firmware should bring back DRM mode.
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_security
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ry/000010.html
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http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_security
http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/mee...ry/000010.html
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2011-07-13
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Originally Posted by DeeGee
AFAIK, no. that may of course have changed, but i haven't read anything in that regard yet.
Ever again? At least flashing the original firmware should bring back DRM mode.
sorry, i can't find the source or quote where it was confirmed that you can't switch between the modes. i believe qgil said it somewhere on t.m.o.
that's old information, from the maemo summit 2009 (!), and much speculation. (open mode may presumably be revoked)
this meego dev just confirms that harmattan will have 2 modes of operation, not that it'll be possible to switch.
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I can't understand why you couldn't re-enable the drm mode? That would require that something in the hardware itself "breaks" when you change into the open mode?
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Originally Posted by DeeGee
i assume the N9 has some kind of TPM Chip for the DRM Mode, which will be irrevocably disabled once you switch to developer mode. (or the certificates it holds)
I can't understand why you couldn't re-enable the drm mode? That would require that something in the hardware itself "breaks" when you change into the open mode?
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