That is surely a nice pic for newcomers wandering on this thread...

Just a thought: Maybe there's some history you need to read up on.

And you've completely missed the point. Good job.

I don't know, if Dalvik looks like Android, walks like Android and talks like Android, isn't it Android? Sure there's a Linux kernel in there, but is there any Android functionality outside of Dalvik?

OSX has a BSD-based kernel, but I wouldn't call it a BSD distro.

I wonder, when they get Dalvik running under Maemo (like they're doing with Ubuntu), whether people will call it Dalvik or Android.

Tell me that's from The Onion, it cannot be real.

Good reply, but you could have also responded with the easier question to answer:

What's not to hate?

At this point the onus is on Microsoft loyalists to explain themselves. Not the other way around. And after they've answered that question, maybe they'd be willing to answer one or both of these:

Is Microsoft still relevant? If so, why and for how much longer?

I'm really most interested in part two of question two.

There is now an API for accessing portions of the underlying OS.

And, of course, there are side-distributions that are doing things to Android outside of Dalvik (jailbreaking to get shell access, etc.). for a while, there was also a no-jailbreak-required pseudo-shell ("pseudo-shell" because it used a sort of text box for input a text field for output, instead of a tty or pty interface).


I would. And do. It's a Mach kernel (Mach being a derivative of BSD as well), with BSD microkernel (bound inside the kernel memory space for perfomance), and BSD command-line userland (at least, up through 10.4; 10.5 has started to adopt some sysv-isms, in things like ps arguments and stuff -- so lately it's "ps -efa" instead of "ps -auxw"). The BSD family tree includes the various other Mach+BSD platforms (NextStep, the direct predecessor of Mac OS X).

Sounds like a BSD dist to me. The kernels have some differences, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were major differences between BSDI and OpenBSD's kernels, as well.

Whoa! Just saw the video now! Not only is the editing impressive, but so is the advertising they are throwing at it!!

I like the way the music builds to the end, and the subsequent tagline 'Nokia Booklet 3G. All day mobility'.

I hope the Maemo Devices marketing team has something equally impressive and catchy for the Maemo 5 marketing campaign.

An image for scale, also to demonstrate why I hate glass/glossy screens BTW Not sure if eevrybody realized it, but the HDMI seems to be *instead* of the usual VGA/DVI port. Also unclear is what under the hood is going to produce that HD output, but hey, maybe it's just well hidden.

We didn't want them wandering anyway. We setup a nice, neat labyrinth for just that purpose.