The HTC Leo, if the design is as speculated, is exactly the form factor that the N900 should have had.

Then Nokia wouldn't have needed to keep apologising: "Oh, it's sort-of like a smartphone but it doesn't have MMS and it's only step 4 of 5, and it's not for everyone". Instead they could have proudly said "It's our best ever internet tablet, it now includes 3G data connectivity, and oh yes it can do voice too for those who need voice".

Roger

Wait. Did I miss the part where the N900 doesn't have MMS?

Yep, you missed it. Nokia's position (stated, I think, in one of the interview videos) was that "we didn't have time to do everything, but if there's enough interest we will implement it sometime".

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...read.id=163195

Regards,
Roger

I swing back and forth on being comfortable saying the n900 a phone or a tablet computer. I have decided to say it is both, but it depend on who you are and what you want it for.

For me the n900 is a phone and the best thing Nokia could say is "The N900 is the first in our line of next generation mobile devices(phones). It combines the best of connectivity, social media and networking with a powerful opensource platform." I also know i cannot take advantage of the full capability of the device but will be able to use what those that can produce.

This is not what someone like Eiffel will buy it, for him "It's our best ever internet tablet, it now includes 3G data connectivity, and oh yes it can do voice too for those who need voice" is the best message.

I still think that Nokia wants to make money with this piece of hardware and they will market it in whatever why they can to make the most. For better or worse, the potential market is greater for phones. Those of you who want to use it primarily as a tablet as opposed to a phone, no one is going to complain about your off-label use.

The n900 could be be Nokias bridge between Netbook and phone. A combination of the best of both worlds, and convenient enough to fit into anyones pocket. It will work for the hacker coding on it in the airport with a bt keyboard as well as the 17yo watching movies and playing video games while sexting her boyfriend

Make it whatever the hell you want to, the best thing that can happen is there are 10000 user types that want it. More demand, more tools, more apps more opportunity to build cool things for the world.

Oh my. Well, it would make it equal to the iPhone when it came out to right this very moment in the US. I think US residents (myself inclusive) have to wait until September 25th for MMS.

I know its just opinion, but the research shows that a tablet form factor with a QWERTY keypad is the most wanted form factor in the world. Non key devices don't usually sell well, except for the iPhone.

I'd like a Leo-like device with a sliding T9 keypad, but that isn't the best way to attract users. You have to go with numbers.

I can honestly say in 15+ years of owning cell phones I have NEVER sent an MMS that entire time. I guess I just dont get the big deal, the advantage over just quickly shooting off an email from the phone escapes me.

Well, I don't consider myself a zealot, but I sort of like it... Honestly, I like the iPhone, just not its supposed position as "THE DEVICE", which I don't think it has earned or is warranted. I'm always willing to explain my stance. I don't "flame" devices (people can get it though), but I have a firm philosophy on mobiles which I would also explain. I NEVER spew misinformation. I make mistakes, but stand behind my advice/opinions, and am always willing to recant them when I've been enlightened.

And don't be so sure what "they" do or don't want to read. I find that people prefer honesty, and I am always honest. YOU don't want to read it, and that's fine. But I had an opinion on the N900 as it relates to the N900, and that's why it came up. If its nonesense, then the thread title is just as much nonesense. Vs. means versus, implying a battle to be won, imo, even though I see no contest or competitors. The N900 is a computer competitor, not any of the phones on the market.

Because you like a device and I don't doesn't make it nonesense. What doesn't make sense about my opinion?

I was speaking only about the iPhone in the regard of optimized pages. I don't agree with pages tailored to one device but a worse experience on another with a better browser. I think its best to put ALL mobiles first, but not all agree. I hope that isn't more nonesense, as you say. I'm for standards, too, not special use cases. That was the point of the post, which I hope you read in context. I agree about some apps being necessary, but most aren't, in my "nonesensica"l opinion.


You got FLASH on the iPhone browser??? I think multitasking and a flash browser make the iPHone near the best device on the market, but Apple doesn't agree. My device manufacturer must share my philosophy to share my cash. THIS is why I like Nokia, Symbian, and Maemo.

How can I give a positive or negative aspect without hailing or discounting a device? That sounds like nonesense to me. Please give an example of how I do it with nonesense and how you'd do it. Because I speak with passion doesn't mean I'm not rational or objective. I'm just married to my opinion, and have firm beliefs on the matter. I promote mobiles as a favorite hobby, but I'm no hater or cheerleader. Just passionate.

Well the fruitphone's app usefullness has been discussed various places, so you can look online for yourself. This isn't why I am here, and if you want to find apps for your E71, there are plenty of app depositories everywhere, including my community's. What does that have to do with Maemo or Maemo apps? Because my conversation was in relation to this thread and the Maemo browser in that particular instance.

What is allowed on these forums? You can't compare competitive devices, can't laud any either, and can't have an opinion? Why are we here? Isn't it to get the opinions of others and share what we find to make Maemo better?

You take email for granted, but not everyone has access. But 99% of the world has MMS. Think global, bratag. Small Indian villages, African farms, the like. We all use technology different ways, so you can't leave out a large part of the demographic.

In general, for someone to receive emailed pictures on their phone, the receiver would have to have all of the following:

• data plan
• email client with attachment abilities
• email account

With MMS, the receiver just needs an MMS capable device, and they don't need any of the above.