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2009-10-01
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Like if Android's OpenGL ES library was opensource.
Come on, stop this madness.
Come on, stop this madness.
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by korbé
1 million.
The number of HTC G1 sold in U.S.A by T-Mobile.
Source [In French]
Yet it is equipped with Android, an OS that HTC's competitors can also install on their smartphones.
And this Android, except for some drivers and 4 applications softwares, are FOSS.
These 4 applications softwares proprietary are:
- gMail --> replaceable by a FOSS e-mail client.
- gTalk --> replaceable by a FOSS IM Client.
- Google Map --> require much work, but replaceable by a FOSS Map Software.
- Adroid Market --> replaceable by a package manager (ex: PackageKit) to provide FOSS softwares.
So we can say that the HTC G1 was sold with an OS almost pure FOSS to 1 million copies.
There are exist even "100% FOSS version" of Android.
If HTC can it, Nokia can it.
PS: Some people ask for an example with numbers, it is.
I'm not sure what point you're making with that set of data ... especially right now, when those 4 "Google Experience" apps have caused controversy in the Android camp (Google recently issued a Cease and Desist letter to one of the bigger Android hackers over those 4 apps).
So, it would seem that:
1) Android, even in its most vanilla form, is not 100% FOSS ... it has apps and components that are flat out "not open". Just like Maemo.
2) Nokia is being more open than Google about it ... haven't seen nor heard of a C&D letter to the Mer team, for example.
It would seem to me that you've just undermined your own argument against Nokia's positioning/etc. with Maemo.
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2009-10-01
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Nokia is working in exactly the opposite direction with the Mer team, trying to help them get access to the closed parts. So no, you will never see a C&D letter issued to the Mer team...
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
That said, we are being very careful in Mer. Such as working with vendors on ways for us to use closed blobs and integrating them in images (this may be useful for the Diablo Community SSU project too). We do this because it is a longer lasting solution and gives us better relations with vendors.
2) Nokia is being more open than Google about it ... haven't seen nor heard of a C&D letter to the Mer team, for example.
But fair is fair - if you included copyrighted material you did not have a license to redistribute, you'll get a C&D. I think Google shot themselves in the foot over this matter though - instead of working out a way this could be useful. I mean, the users already have google apps on their device, why can't they keep them? Nokia went out of their way to work with us to find a solution for these issues and they should be applauded for this attitude.
What we try to do is making a way for the scenario of: if you own a device, you can remix the firmware you have and distribute it to other device owners. - or in Mer's perspective, have HW support blobs and the rest of the system 100% OSS and have things working out of the box.
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by R-R
I'd rate that suggestion as insightful and this message I'm writing as redundant.
I sometime wish this forum had a rating system like slashdot so we could mod such comments as a boring redundant uneducated flamebait...
At least try trolling cleverly
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2009-10-01
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1) Android, even in its most vanilla form, is not 100% FOSS ... it has apps and components that are flat out "not open". Just like Maemo.
It would seem to me that you've just undermined your own argument against Nokia's positioning/etc. with Maemo.
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
No, because I mentioned the HTC G1 for this:
It would seem to me that you've just undermined your own argument against Nokia's positioning/etc. with Maemo.
Yet it is equipped with Android, an OS that HTC's competitors can also install on their smartphones.
Originally Posted by javispedro
Compared to the beginning of this thread, I try to be respectful and I bring good examples (with numbers if possible) to substantiate my statements.
Like if Android's OpenGL ES library was opensource.
Come on, stop this madness.
Have I got a real debate in return?
No really, some people ignore me, others have talk at the limit of the insult and others change the meaning of my talk by fixing themselves on what I don't want mean for hide what I want mean....
Is it this? "Maemo.org, the Open Community"?
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2009-10-01
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Hehe, the whole THC UI called Sense is proprietary
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2009-10-01
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
HTC G1 haven't got this UI.
Hehe, the whole THC UI called Sense is proprietary
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The number of HTC G1 sold in U.S.A by T-Mobile.
Source [In French]
Yet it is equipped with Android, an OS that HTC's competitors can also install on their smartphones.
And this Android, except for some drivers and 4 applications softwares, are FOSS.
These 4 applications softwares proprietary are:
- gMail --> replaceable by a FOSS e-mail client.
- gTalk --> replaceable by a FOSS IM Client.
- Google Map --> require much work, but replaceable by a FOSS Map Software.
- Adroid Market --> replaceable by a package manager (ex: PackageKit) to provide FOSS softwares.
So we can say that the HTC G1 was sold with an OS almost pure FOSS to 1 million copies.
There are exist even "100% FOSS version" of Android.
If HTC can it, Nokia can it.
PS: Some people ask for an example with numbers, it is.