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True, but that's with a finalized build and finalized firmware on release. Then all gloves are off when it comes to reviews.
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
True, but that's with a finalized build and finalized firmware on release. Then all gloves are off when it comes to reviews.
True... You know it would take a truly incompetent company to take a rock-solid linux kernel and turning into a crashing mess. I don't think Eldar is lying though, more likely he's got an obscure hardware problem
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Originally Posted by bugelrex
That is why I insist on always testing it myself before I spend the money. Reviews will only tell me if it worth my time to go and test the device.
If you read the reviews for N97 for Photos and Features only it would have seemed like the best phone on earth. In reality, Nokia had the balls to pass the piece of crap as a flagship product. (2 year old hardware specs! the worst example of touchscreen interface you'll ever see. The OK and Cancel buttons take up 20% of the screen for gods sake!)
Pre-order buyers got hosed, opinions do matter.
Reviewers can be pertinent if, and only if, you have been following the writer for a long time and know for sure that he/she has taste similar to yours. In any other case you are risking big.
Will you go buy an iPhone after reading a review made by a fan ? Really ?
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Shouldn't the title of this thread be "infamous mobile reviewer throws N900 under the bus..."?
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Originally Posted by Mandor
I agree, reviews for me are helpful in finding out about the device. But I always try to test-drive the device myself before making the final purchase. Or I buy it somewhere, where I could return it for store credit if I'm not satisfed (I think Costco has this).
That is why I insist on always testing it myself before I spend the money. Reviews will only tell me if it worth my time to go and test the device.
Reviewers can be pertinent if, and only if, you have been following the writer for a long time and know for sure that he/she has taste similar to yours. In any other case you are risking big.
Will you go buy an iPhone after reading a review made by a fan ? Really ?
Originally Posted by bugelrex
I don't think it's as much the kernel that is crashing, than it is Nokia's GUI and everything on top of the kernel that's iffy. I don't think Eldar is lying either, but given that we don't fully know what firmware and what hardware he is running it on we can't really make say if what he says about the n900 will match up with say what someone experiences with a more up to date firmware and actual n900 hardware. Therefore my point that if reviewers review products before they are finalized then they should point that out in their review. It's just simple honesty.
True... You know it would take a truly incompetent company to take a rock-solid linux kernel and turning into a crashing mess. I don't think Eldar is lying though, more likely he's got an obscure hardware problem
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
...much like the RIAA going after individuals for music theft to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars most don't have.
True, but if somebody's writing is damaging the brand-name of your smartphone/smart-computer-phone then it might just be worth it to make a point.
But then, there's this: http://www.geek.com/articles/law/ria...suit-20080819/
/OT in a blatant attempt to defuse subject
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Originally Posted by bugelrex
...and as a former N800 QA engineer I can assure you they happen. We encountered the occasional hardware glitch on some units that didn't show up on the vast majority, and all in preproduction and early release. But then, that only serves to underscore the points about eldar's "preview" being disingenuous; his reported troubles induce a concern disproportionate to the reality.
True... You know it would take a truly incompetent company to take a rock-solid linux kernel and turning into a crashing mess. I don't think Eldar is lying though, more likely he's got an obscure hardware problem
You know, capacitors are notorious for causing issues with electronics devices. One need only be a bit out of spec or improperly sealed and you start off with decent behavior that degrades dramatically. Not insinuating this is at issue here, just offering an example.
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Originally Posted by Texrat
That is, sir, exactly on target. Why one "malfunctioning" prototype would suddenly represents what we will get in October. If, say, you read 5 reviews and one of them got a "faulty" device, will everybody imply that 20% of the manufactured final devices will be like that ? I don't think so.
...and as a former N800 QA engineer I can assure you they happen. We encountered the occasional hardware glitch on some units that didn't show up on the vast majority, and all in preproduction and early release. But then, that only serves to underscore the points about eldar's "preview" being disingenuous; his reported troubles induce a concern disproportionate to the reality.
You know, capacitors are notorious for causing issues with electronics devices. One need only be a bit out of spec or improperly sealed and you start off with decent behavior that degrades dramatically. Not insinuating this is at issue here, just offering an example.
Edit : typo
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Thanks Mandor.
And as for firmware-- I was testing updated Diablo builds on a weekly basis. There was a noticeable steady rise toward improved functionality and stability. Yes, there were occasional regressions and new glitches but they did not represent the trend and were outliers. The same is no doubt true of Fremantle.
And as for firmware-- I was testing updated Diablo builds on a weekly basis. There was a noticeable steady rise toward improved functionality and stability. Yes, there were occasional regressions and new glitches but they did not represent the trend and were outliers. The same is no doubt true of Fremantle.
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