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Originally Posted by vi_
I agree with all of this, but how does someone like itsnotabigtruck get an N9 from Nokia when he is writing programs like inception that aren't officially approved?
I thought the 2 chaps in question already have devices to develop on?
You are aware that:
1. The only reason the N950 was called a 'dev kit' was so they could punt a load of obsolete old hardware to drum up support for the up and coming N9.
2. Now the N9 has arrived and is available in large quantities the N950 is nothing more that a curiosity from a bygone era.
3. To develop for the N9, for Harmattan the best device is an N9.
4. A developer can request a development device from Nokia at any time.
Do you see the flaw in that logic?
This was his only opportunity in that regard.
Maybe you should give your device to him....
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by Arie
But...he...already...has...a...development...devic e.
I agree with all of this, but how does someone like itsnotabigtruck get an N9 from Nokia when he is writing programs like inception that isn't officially approved?
Do you see the flaw in that logic?
This was his only opportunity in that regard.
Maybe you should give your device to him....
Why don't you give him one of your N9s?
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Originally Posted by vi_
He never received a development device... The only N9 he has is the one he spent money on....
But...he...already...has...a...development...devic e.
Why don't you give him one of your N9s?
I wasn't given my N9's by Nokia or some councilors... I had to pay hard earned cash for those...
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Originally Posted by Arie
But the crux of you argument is that these magic 'dev kits'* are in the hands of undeserving non coders who will not further Harmattan. You cite eyes and itsnotabigtruck as your examples. They have development devices already. They do not need more development devices in order to do what they do.
He never received a development device... The only N9 he has is the one he spent money on....
I wasn't given my N9's by Nokia or some counselors... I had to pay hard earned cash for those...
If you were however arguing that they deserve an award as recognition for their contribution then you might have had a point, but I just told you about it so you cant have that point, it is mine.
Are you implying that I am undeserving of a community award? Are you suggesting I should return my prize in disgust and rescind my maemo.org account?
*The notion of a 'dev kit' for harmattan no longer exists. Real Harmattan hardware is now available nullifying the N950s value as an exclusive Harmattan development device. In fact, with the N9 available the N950 is now a poor substitute.
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Originally Posted by vi_
If you were however arguing that they deserve an award as recognition for their contribution then you might have had a point, but I just told you about it so you cant have that point, it is mine.
I am arguing just that which is bolded.
They should have been given devices for Major contributions to the Harmattan community.
If at least itsnotabigtruck got a device. I would be silent and drop my complaints.
Originally Posted by vi_
No not at all.
Are you implying that I am undeserving of a community award? Are you suggesting I should return my prize in disgust and rescind my maemo.org account?
I am stating that the way these people were chosen was not fair. Itsnotabigtruck has made overclocking possible on the N9/N950, (I have tested both out)
As well as Mohammadag's unrestricted system UI, which so many people are lauding right now.
Without his inception (which is more efficient than open mode) we wouldn't have a work around for aegis like we do now.
Originally Posted by vi_
Let me answer this separately, yes, I fully agree with this in some regards.
*The notion of a 'dev kit' for harmattan no longer exists. Real Harmattan hardware is now available nullifying the N950s value as an exclusive Harmattan development device. In fact, with the N9 available the N950 is now a poor substitute.
The N950 is not a practical daily phone, but as a test bed it is still amazing.
Edit: Last 2 lines added.
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Originally Posted by vi_
I don't know about Arie's position, but you should be able to hold on to your prize by virtue of the fact that you didn't have a conflict of interest.
But the crux of you argument is that these magic 'dev kits'* are in the hands of undeserving non coders who will not further Harmattan. You cite eyes and itsnotabigtruck as your examples. They have development devices already. They do not need more development devices in order to do what they do.
If you were however arguing that they deserve an award as recognition for their contribution then you might have had a point, but I just told you about it so you cant have that point, it is mine.
Are you implying that I am undeserving of a community award? Are you suggesting I should return my prize in disgust and rescind my maemo.org account?
*The notion of a 'dev kit' for harmattan no longer exists. Real Harmattan hardware is now available nullifying the N950s value as an exclusive Harmattan development device. In fact, with the N9 available the N950 is now a poor substitute.
The only Harmattan/Maemo device I have is an N9 that I paid full price for. Arie's correct in that this competition was the only way I (and others) could possibly obtain any sort of dev./award device based on non-conventional application work. However, all of that is beside the point that judges cannot possibly award themselves, or each other, with any objectivity at all.
Also, it would be nice if people on both sides would debate this with a bit more civility. :|
Edit: adjustments for clarity
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Originally Posted by vi_
Really? e-yes says he's not supporting the n950 in nitdroid since he won't get one but I guess you know better and he doesn't need it. I would say the n950 is a good development device because I use the terminal a lot and the onscreen keyboard and ssh via wifi is crap compared to a hardware keyboard. But, I guess I must be wrong. I should just believe everything you say, right?
But the crux of you argument is that these magic 'dev kits'* are in the hands of undeserving non coders who will not further Harmattan. You cite eyes and itsnotabigtruck as your examples. They have development devices already. They do not need more development devices in order to do what they do.
If you were however arguing that they deserve an award as recognition for their contribution then you might have had a point, but I just told you about it so you cant have that point, it is mine.
Are you implying that I am undeserving of a community award? Are you suggesting I should return my prize in disgust and rescind my maemo.org account?
*The notion of a 'dev kit' for harmattan no longer exists. Real Harmattan hardware is now available nullifying the N950s value as an exclusive Harmattan development device. In fact, with the N9 available the N950 is now a poor substitute.
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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness
Wtf. Are you high?
Really? e-yes says he's not supporting the n950 in nitdroid since he won't get one but I guess you know better and he doesn't need it. I would say the n950 is a good development device because I use the terminal a lot and the onscreen keyboard and ssh via wifi is crap compared to a hardware keyboard. But, I guess I must be wrong. I should just believe everything you say, right?
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Originally Posted by vi_
vi_ keep it civil. Do not attack Creamy Goodness, he is an esteemed member of the Maemo/Harmattan Community.
Wtf. Are you high?
What he says has a lot of valid points.
Please consider looking at his side of the story before you make such comments.
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Did you even read what I wrote?
I didn't attack you or make any statement against you, I used you as an example and you chose to ignore that.
I said numerous times you are deserving of the N950. Please pay attention to what I write instead of what you want to read.
Let me make this simple, irrelevant to what is, to help the success and longevity of this community, giving devices to those that are making things happen for the Harmattan camp would have been best.
Arguing with each other is pointless, but arguing with Woody is even worse.
To Estel: I don't read anything you write. You may mean well, but you are way too aggressive for a forum. The only cool headed counselors that are involved with the current council discussion here is ivgalvez and SD69. You and Woody are too combative for your own good.
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