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m4r0v3r is offline m4r0v3r
2013-12-19 , 19:39
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#2121
Originally Posted by Makeclick View Post
Who use the WPA anymore anyway? WPA2 is safer.. So why you drive an old bike, when you can have new one ?

So i make sample for you:
If both say: "hop in " which will you go

1st
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_22st2V4Cvj...b9307bcc64.jpg

VS

2nd
http://www.wallpaperfo.com/thumbnail...erfo.com_3.jpg
IBM use PEAP so realistically if I got this phone I cant use it at work...
 

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2013-12-19 , 20:09
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#2122
Originally Posted by Thoke View Post
My heeadphones with inbuilt volume controls in cords works fine which was a pleasant surprise though
What headphones are you using?
 
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2013-12-19 , 20:25
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#2123
After about a week or so of Jolla usage, today I held my N9 again and realised what a perfect size it is... To me, Jolla might even be slightly too big. I know I'm not the only one, I know a few people who felt like they had to go to iPhone because Androids just keep getting bigger and bigger. I think 4" is the perfect size (N9 was 3,9" with 16:9 screen).
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2013-12-19 , 20:33
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I'm not picking on you, but just catching up with this thread.

Anyway, MTP has been put down as never supported on OS X, not natively.
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Your answers so far represent a serious minority and I don't think that you're qualified to speak for the majority. For the record, I am not qualified either. Your statements smack of your limited use and needs.

No e-mail? No browser? No calendar? Then why even a phone with those as (now) standard features. I think I have my old Nokia 7190 laying around. According to you, that would suit you just fine - and the average Joe as well.

That's just patently false. Just as false as the MTP statements and as false as the so-called testing. It never happened - all tests seem to have been on developer devices, which were all Linux. That's a minority of desktops. Welcome to the less than 2%.

Seriously flawed logic in this thread.
Thanks for totally useless post. If you don't like reading my comments then add me to your ignore list.
 
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2013-12-19 , 21:00
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

That's just patently false. Just as false as the MTP statements and as false as the so-called testing. It never happened - all tests seem to have been on developer devices, which were all Linux. That's a minority of desktops. Welcome to the less than 2%.
Ironically, MTP works better on Windows that on most GNU desktops.

Please remember MTP is still mostly a MS specification. It is only used because the only other alternatives natively compatible with Windows (Mass Storage, NDIS) each have their own disadvantages.
 

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Originally Posted by att View Post
Thanks for totally useless post. If you don't like reading my comments then add me to your ignore list.
Feel free to keep posting your uninformed statements.

There. Added. Done.
 
Philippe is offline Philippe
2013-12-19 , 21:05
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Anyway, MTP has been put down as never supported on OS X, not natively. So what was tested? Philippe has been stated often enough that something was broken - how can you break what's never been there?

Apache has been broken on Mavericks. I can attest to that. But MTP has been per application level - thus apps that BlackBerry uses, for instance, to interface their phone on OS X work just fine to this day. Why? Because they carried their own, interfaced OS X where the API's are at - say iPhoto for instance - and it works just fine.

I now doubt that any testing ever happened. Mavericks has been in beta for a year. Any paid Apple Developer had access to it - even I did and I just code iOS apps for some clients.
First of all you probably not draw conclusions based on misquotes or misunderstandings of certain statements

Secondly it is not because there is a Mac OS X beta that we are running it. We cannot run that in a production environment.

Thirdly if a widely trusted and used MTP application works for all MTP devices out there, and also works for us why not use it?

Four, Apple did broke this widely used app, most likely on purpose to annoy owners of non-apple products and give their fanboys something to brag about. (Maybe because most Android and WP phones, a shitload of non-apple music players, etc use MTP these days and they hope this will force people to buy Apple gear?)

Five having your own closed API is cool, but that means you need to provide a client for everything out there. Cool if you have the capabilities, but why not using an industry standard? If there are solutions for people unfortunate enough to have to work on the most anti-competitive and most limited OS out there why would waste time on such a client or API? Especially if with this standard you have it working by default on >80 % of the available systems

Don't you think we noticed it was broken, but what could we do on short notice? We are trying to resolve the problem. But arguing that we do not test or take things into account for Mac OS X users is plain false. If there is someone to blame for issues with Mac OS X you should rather complain to Apple...
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2013-12-19 , 21:43
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Originally Posted by Philippe View Post
First of all you probably should learn to read and not draw conclusions based on misquotes or misunderstandings of certain statements
That goes both ways. Please learn how to address the public - especially when you're being questioned rightly or wrongly so. And how to read (see below) content as it's may be meant, not how you may have taken it. I inquired simply if any testing had happened. Then I raised concern and elevated inquiry to doubt. I don't mind admitting that I might be wrong - prove it to be such the case. But my tone is acceptable; so should yours.

Secondly it is not because there is a Mac OS X beta that we are running it.
I think you misunderstood. Mac OS X Mavericks was in beta for a almost a year. Either you ran it or not. That's a yes/no answer. But that's not where my concern was located.

As it stands, OS X Mavericks... was it ever tested? Release or beta? Not that you were running under beta, was it tested in any version was the question.

Thirdly if a widely trusted and used MTP application works for all MTP devices out there, and also works for us why would we not use it?
Good question that I honestly do not have an answer to; only the aforesaid samples of BlackBerry with their BlackBerry Link application and the (now broken) Android connectivity application that the Mavericks (10.9) update had broken.

Four, Apple did broke this widely used app...
They broke Android. I can still sync my BlackBerry Z10 without incident. I can still view the contents of my microSD card too. The point I made was that if BlackBerry could do it, so could you. The "how", I am personally unsure. In fact, just tested the Microsoft Windows Phone OS X app, it works too. Syncs without incident - but it's never truly ever given access to the file system.

If you want me to investigate anything any more, I'm more than capable and willing to do so. And I have access to many OS X machines from 10.6 to 10.9.

...most likely on purpose to annoy owners of non-apple products and give their fanboys something to brag about. (Maybe because most Android and WP phones, a shitload of non-apple music players, etc use MTP these days and they hope this will force people to buy Apple gear?)
This is speculation. I've personally don't see the need or see any gain in discussing this when my concern was simply about the fact if/if not testing on OS X had ever occurred.

Don't you think we noticed it was broken, but what could we do? Beg Apple to do the fair and honest thing? Develop a client for an OS nobody knows anything much about out of the blue a few weeks before release?
So you use a distro I've honestly never have heard about, yet you regard OS X as an operating system that nobody knows about? I hope that I'm misreading this statement.

Regardless, understand that your patrons might use operating systems that you'll never properly touch yet... they are your patrons. 16 years of development, I've had to extend to support esoteric operating systems like AIX, IRIX (SGI), HP-UX, (way too many versions of) BSD to versions of Windows I've never heard about - Windows XP Embedded for instance. I've done so begrudgingly so, on devices and applications that saw less exposure than your product and I know the rigors of testing.

It's not fun but it's part of the job.

And when I doubt/inquire/question if something has been tested, it's for a real good reason. No need for vitriol, just answer the question if you can. If you cannot, that's also fine as well.

Regardless; good luck on your endeavors, understand that the user might have/require different things than yourself and if you take it personal, you shouldn't have because that is not how I meant it. So I apologize if you took it personal.

I just doubt the depth of testing across platforms at this moment. Still do.
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mikecomputing is offline mikecomputing
2013-12-19 , 21:55
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#2129
Originally Posted by Kein View Post
And what apps are you going to run? Or do you use your Jolla smartphone like a Nokia dumb phone?
so far I have not need any of those crappy android apps.
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hemiwi is offline hemiwi
2013-12-19 , 21:55
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#2130
First day with the Jolla and i do love it.

Thanks to the community here (and agressiv reading from my part) i didn't had any problems in setting up the phone.

Booted, enabled dev-mode, updated to Laddunjärvi (1.0.1.12), rebooted, installed store and Dalvik Cache. Rest of the evening was E-Mail settings (SSL Ports etc), Twitter, Sonos and browsing the Jolla Store. Added mer tools, less and nano. Tested the file manager from Store and installed the other from repository.
Even got the latest version of tweetian from one of the Jolla employees Tweet from today.

WLAN and Bluetooth headphones (Nokia Purity HD) worked immediatly and very reliable.

One thing i didn't managed althought following this thread from Day One: the darn 64GB microSD card mounted.

Can anyone write me please the command that worked for him / her? Plus did you use the internal bash os SSH?

Will write more when i have my microSIM tomorrow and can test calls / txt etc.
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